• Pentacat [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    It was obvious in Trump country that enthusiasm had waned. Nobody here seemed to care. Or maybe they couldn’t afford all the flags and hats and other Trump merch this time.

    It was also obvious that the Democrats were going to lose votes. 15 million is a downright Clintonian achievement, though.

    It’s so strange that Dick Cheney’s endorsement didn’t drive Democrats to the polls.

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      But I was assured the democrats needed to reach across the aisle to secure the non-existant “republican with decency” vote?

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      Trumpers were absolutely less frothing this time around. I remember seeing all sorts of fucked up shit in rural areas in 2016 & 2020. I’m talking a literal Trump shrine, a stuffed Obama lynching, Trump signs with light displays, giant pictures of Trump’s face, and TRUMP painted in massive letters on the side of barns. Nothing like that this time, outside of big signs.

      Idk anyone under 35 who admitted to wanting to vote for Harris. Some probably did, but at best a majority of them were on the fence about whether to vote for her or a 3rd party.

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        I lived in a very Asian and liberal part of the LA metro area in 2020, and Trumpers had truck parades through here open carrying their guns, blowing their horns, complete with “fuck your feelings” flags.

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      I’m in middle of nowhere northern minnesota and I think it was more enthusiastic than ever. I saw huge banners on RVs parked in front yards, trucks driving around blasting that rich men north of Richmond song (multiple occasions) three opportunist moms for liberty dorks running for the school board, Trump hats, and way more Trump signs than I saw in '16 Even family who has always been lib were quoting trump talking points.

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    Wonder if supporting a genocide and material conditions deteriorating, with neither giving hope of betterment, could have made people go apathetic? Just a thought

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    “I mean it’s not like those 15 million voters have been screaming at the top of their lungs they wouldnt vote for a candidate that supported the genocide for nearly two years at this point”

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      It is extremely generous to assume that 15m Americans give a shit about genocide. Kamala lost because of the economy. Foreign wars was a minor point against her. The American electorate is bloodthirsty and ignorant, they don’t vote based on foreign policy unless it directly harms them. Kamala lost this election far more because of inflation and cost of living.

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    If they voted for Biden in 2020 expecting things to get better, why would they vote for the same platform again when they saw everything get worse under his admin? What enthusiasm existed?

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      It turns out “you have to accept you won’t get anything you want and vote for us anyway and then next time we’ll give you what you want” actually does only work so many times in a row.

      Democrats are Lucy holding the football but they’re so fucking bad at politics Charlie brown actually figured out that she was gonna yank the ball away from him again this time.

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        I think you can enrich the picture by realizing that liberal democracy as a form of governance, in its entirety, is Lucy, and by being satisfied with voting Trump instead of revolting Charlie has yet to realize the football has once again been yanked away.

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    Don’t worry, for every three million Trump voters we pick up in the suburbs we’ll only lose eighteen million Democrats in the city.

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    I vote Jeff Tiedrich to be the BlueAnon Shaman

    Brooklyn Dad Defiant can be the guy who puts his feet up on someone’s desk

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    Fed account injecting the next conspiracy into the discourse.

    I’ve been saying for a decade that this account is run by feds and I won’t be stopping now.

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    Well I should point out I could easily see between high hundreds of thousands and over a million Trump people simply dying because A) a lot of them are old B) Covid which they deny and had 4 years to die from it.

    I could also see a million or so being disillusioned with Trump, either Q people who thought he’d do different or people who saw something else in him that he didn’t live up in his new campaigning. Also a lot easier to just check the box to re-elect the president for a certain amount of Americans who may not even be consistent Republicans but just people who thought he did a good enough job giving them free money during Covid and deserved to continue. So those numbers are if anything low and suggest IMO he probably gained some voters as well between losing people to dying and disillusionment and such.

    So then the discussion must go towards those Democratic voters, they must have really alienated them, they must have really lost the enthusiasm and angered them. Sure we can discount a couple million as racists who voted for Biden because he was a white man with ties to anti-busing and crime legislation and KKK leadership but not nearly all of them. There’s still a significant chunk, millions and millions you have to account for.