If you’re not uncomfortable, I’m not being radical enough
It has to start somewhere
It has to start sometime
What better place than here?
What better time than now?Lights out
Guerrilla radio
Turn that shit upI want one that goes up to eleven
“raging feminism” often actually causes increased misogyny. This dial is the perfect metaphor, because somewhere in the middle is “staunch advocacy” that actually creates progress
That nice girl feminism got us to lose abortion rights. I’m in the vengeance stage whether you like it or not.
No, the “raging” part of the movement is specifically what caused that. Many men, especially young men, have INCREASINGLY become more conservative over the past decade. This is a direct reaction of them hearing attacks on their gender. One side says “men are evil”, and the other side says “men are great”, so obviously that’s the side they’re gonna be pushed to.
Meanwhile, there are those of us who say “anyone can be evil and anyone can be great, so let’s give everyone the same opportunities”
The point of the dial is there is no middle ground. You either take it quietly or you’re a troublemaker.
That’s not how dials work, what you’re describing is a switch. In dials, all the way left is nothingness (bad), and all the way right is distorted (bad). To actually create the effect you want (good volume or equal rights) you have to be somewhere between the two extreme ends of the dial
The point of this artwork is to highlight the absurdity of being told to “dial down the feminism”. Treating it like a dial means turning it back towards “complicit in my own dehumanisation”.
And my point is that there are levels between those two extremes that are better, both literally and also as unintentionally depicted in the art
I fully agree. This applies not only to feminism but in general - if you want to convince people about something, you need to plan your approach, what to say, know what works on people etc. You cannot just rage like crazy because there’s a high chance you just create a counter reaction.
F.e. I’d say we can all agree that gay rights are the right thing. But if you come to some conservative village, start shouting at everyone, being super aggresive and rage like a maniac, I’d bet that the only thing you achieve is that you’ll be labeled as “that crazy person”
I’m really surprised of the responses to this comment, I find this to be a common sense
I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”
Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
-Martin Luther King Jr
Got a lot of the same vibes, really
Nope, none of that is what I was saying.
I say: Act now!
I say: Take direct action!
I say: Justice is more important than order!
I ALSO say: Don’t attack a race or gender, instead we should fight against the specific groups that are doing the oppressing, and do everything we can that will most likely stop the oppression as soon as possible!
If you look at pictures of the civil rights marches you’ll see plenty of white people marching there too, because MLK jr. wasn’t raging against white people, he was fighting against oppressors.
Spot on. And perfect example.
I was just having this exact conversation with a friend. We’re both very liberal left and we were discussing how a significant part of the big election loss was due to bad messaging. If people actually understood what democrats goals were then Kamala would’ve won in a landslide, but instead all the things democrats said didn’t make people come to their side. It should’ve been a cakewalk win, but their attitude and approach pushed people away instead.
I think the reason why my post has a lot of downvotes (in addition to a lot of upvotes) is a symptom of this same polarization I’ve been talking about in this thread. People increasingly think that if you’re not rabidly saying what their side says then that means you are against them. Which is obviously false, but it’s hard to convince people that their tribe could ever be wrong about anything.
“raging feminism” often actually causes increased misogyny
Are you fucking high?!
Nope, I’m very lucid. If you haven’t seen people’s reaction to “raging feminism” then you haven’t been paying attention. Most people who are already on your side will give you a “yassss gurl”, but most people who aren’t already on your side will react by moving in the opposite direction.
To reiterate, i specifically said that the “doing nothing” side of the dial is wrong too. Be a strong advocate, but don’t try to “burn it all down”, because that’ll cause the opposite effect of what you’re trying to achieve
Is that reaction actually increasing the misogyny though? I kinda expect it’s just bringing out into the open what is already there tbh
It’s definitely causing more misogyny. When people feel like you’re attacking them, it makes them attack you back
Instead of complaining that feminists speak out, why not call out the actual problem: the misogynists? Be a “staunch advocate” and have the conversations that women can’t.
I never once complained about feminists speaking up. I think everyone should speak up all the time whenever they notice any injustice. And I’ve lived that truth personally, even in the face of consequences that I knew I’d face for it. What i said is that the “raging” part is counterproductive
I never once complained about feminists speaking up.
That is literally what you are doing in this thread right now.
“This rape would be going a lot better for you if you’d just stop struggling so much!”
Immediately jumping to a rape analogy isn’t fair or apt, you can always make someone else’s argument appear dumb when you jump to an EXTREME
How dare I follow their argument to its logical conclusion
Wow, perfect way to EXACTLY demonstrate my point. By totally and completely making an offensive bullshit false analogy about what I said, that makes me want to attack you back in response. But I believe “staunch advocacy” is most effective, so I won’t do that
Imagine getting triggered by women not wanting to be assaulted
“All men are fucking douchebags and should die” -> “if they already think I’m a douchebag and the other side will be nice to me…”
Don’t get me wrong, I understand that that’s an extreme but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen either. I’m not saying I agree really with either side and “turning down the feminism” is a kinda weird thing to say to your student but I have heard multiple different times of someone who saw how much they seemed to be hated and drifted to the right as they were accepted there (even if for the wrong reasons).
exactly exactly exactly
Turn it up to 11
It looks like this dial can go a little beyond the current setting. Give it a try!
I want that guitar pedal
