Half the time it would just be a Sysco product list.
Biggest surprise in when I worked in restaurants in college was how all three “fancy restaurants” ordered the same type of soups from Sysco. Chefs did spice it up differently.
Or the units of measurement would be “half of big pot”
Why would they? It’s takes work with no return. It’s giving something of value (theoretically) for nothing in return, not even good relations for the restaurant since they are now gone.
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The issue with scaling in baking recipes is often that home bakers are measuring by volume and not mass. Any commercial baker is going to go by mass because with ingredients like flour the amount that’s in 1 cup can vary wildly based on how firmly packed into the cup it is. There are also issues with how long you need to rest 10 pounds of dough vs 1 to ensure it properly hydrolyzes and the fact that pizza dough in pro pizza shops often undergoes a sort of accidental ferment just by nature of the fact that it’s made in large batches then stored.
That, but also certain things like yeast don’t scale in normal ratios. You gotta use logs and powers and whatever them fancy math boys do.
Oh balls if we’re gonna get into the math for how many billions of yeast cells we’re pitching and time/population curves and all that mess we’re gonna need to take this over to the homebrewing community and talk to someone smarter than me. I just let my rises go until the volume of the loaf has doubled.
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Sopuli.xyz has a pretty dope homebrewing community. Not sure if they’re federated here or not, I keep a separate account there from when I didn’t understand how all this worked and thought each instance was basically its own thing
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Its an issue with hydrolizing, which is to say the rate at which the flour absorbs the water and begins the process of gluten development.
Stovetop cooking is the intersection of organic chemistry and performance art. Baking is the intersection of organic chemistry and witchcraft.
Are you aware of the metric system?
even in the metric system, measuring by mass is better than volume and most home bakers don’t do it
You can and actually do every measurement of a recipe expressed in metric by mass, especially when it comes to bread and pastry and even more for fine pastry.
Even for liquids it is extremely easy to convert volume into mass because 1ml = 1g (for water), which facilitates converting any volume of any liquid into mass.
Even eggs, butter or even olive oil can be easily measured by weight.
So, even if you were to get a recipe expressed in tons for each ingredient, it would be possible to convert it to a homemade recipe by just converting to grams and weigh the required ingredients.
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You made me go and review why I had intervened in the thread.
Yes, you are correct. Volume is an extremely imprecise measure for dry ingredients and it was because of that I commented as I did, as the discussion was as commercial baking/cooking revolved around large batches, measured by weight, while family cooking/baking revolves around measurements by volume.
But you get hard pressed to have that problem in recipes expressed in metric, even if we went and tried our best to make matters as complicated as possible and measured liquids by mass.
That was why a I replied as I did.
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a company like Cisco
Networking AND food? What more could you want
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and a proper pizza oven. The oven a recipe can’t help with
Fortunately, it sounds like pizza steels do a really impressive job replicating a good oven.
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Tell me more about these pizza steels. I know of stone, but a quick google shows me that steels exist, but why steel over stone?
In short, they can hold a lot more heat than the stones, mimicking the effect of professional pizza ovens.
So the idea is to cook a pizza in the shortest possible time in order to thoroughly cook the dough and outer layers, whilst leaving the ingredients with a delightful freshness. With a conventional oven the process takes much longer, tending to cook everything evenly, producing a drier pizza in which you don’t get that ‘brick oven effect.’
I’ve tried the stones myself, heating them on max heat for a whole hour beforehand. They can help a bit, but it’s still not the same. All that’s my take on the situation, anyway.
I checked the FV just now and I don’t see a pizza community here that goes in to this stuff. Unfortunately for now, you’ll have to visit the evil empire for more precise info.
pizzamaking.com is a great old style forum that has more info than the evil empire
I do wish there was an active community for it here too though
Thanks for the tip!
agree on scale, I’ve never managed to make a small batch of pizza dough taste right, but used to make restaurant batches 20 odd years ago no worries. I have no idea why it works that way
Nobody is really thinking about it, with all the other things there are to think about.
Also, restaurant-style recipes aren’t that unique, any chef worth his salt should be able to come up with something similar. Unless its something really weird, and worth keeping as a trade secret.
Then you don’t tell anyone though.
restaurant food is basically normal food with a metric fuckton of butter, sugar, and salt added
Plenty of restaurants source rarer ingredients than your local grocery store and use advanced techniques to create flavor and texture combinations that are hard and time-consuming to do as a home cook. It isn’t simply “add more sugar, fat, and salt.”
How much demand is there for recipes from shut down restaurants? Unless the restaurant had a food that was well known and very popular, the recipes wouldn’t be something that most people would seek out anyway. Even the popular recipes may not be worth publishing as they may take special equipment or access to a supplier that the general public doesn’t have.
Because they’re busy going out of business, I’d imagine. It’s actually a pretty complicated process if you want to avoid a bunch of extra problems down the line. If publishing the recipes helped avoid some of those problems, they might do it. But they’re more likely trying to protect themselves from creditors and get their taxes sorted and final paychecks and selling inventory and equipment and real estate…
Maybe they’re preserving the option to try again with a new restaurant?
Restaurant/chefs do sell menus to other restaurants/bars/chefs, so they may sell that off, but the public would never know about it.
Besides all the other reasons listed. The value of a restaurant is that they feed you with an unique experience. The recipe is not the experience, it’s just a broad guideline. Everyone knows how burgers are made. But I’ve tasted some pretty unique burgers in my life, for which the experience of having eaten would not be possible to replicate even if you had a gram by gram breakdown of the constituent chemicals.
Food like burgers are also 85% technique and 10% equipment. I can’t cook one at home the same I could back I the day in an industrial broiler.
What is the remaining 5%?
The product itself.
I bet it’s also common/planned that they would just reopen another one somewhere else. Esp if it closed for bankruptcy, etc.
Depending on the restaurant and the bankruptcy proceedings, the recipes may be considered an asset that can be sold to recoup losses. Those assets only have value when they are secret.
In one case in my area, the recipes for their signature dishes died with the family matriarch. :(
Maybe the recipes just weren’t that good, which might have something to do with the restaurant closing.
My favorite Chinese place closed and I’ll never taste that delicious sauce again…
We’re still at Shoney’s!!!
