barbara-pit for Cringetopia users

Also I hope people in here are decent about plurals. r/fakedisordercringe is another one of the “be normal debatebro-l” instances

  • Othello [comrade/them, love/loves]@hexbear.netEnglish
    30·
    10 months ago

    hey comrades, remember self diagnosis is valid. not everyone has years to wait and thousands of dollars to spend on a something that may not improve your life in anyway. there are some states in america where your parents can take your kids away and the state will do it just because you have a diagnosis. Also good luck ever winning sole custody of your kids. And you can get rejected from moving to many countries like new zealand. Not to mention my poc and afab (edit: so the majority of the population) comrades are far far far less likely to be diagnosed properly. diagnoses for adults sometimes just means society gives itself permission to dehumanize you more.

    • vomit_sounds [any]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      22·
      10 months ago

      I am self-diagnosed bc if I have a single mental illness, I will not get hormones and DIY might be criminalized as well, either it is or it will be soon, idk rn. eu-cool , folks

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      19·
      10 months ago

      Self diagnosis is valid but also a bunch of people aren’t actually self-diagnosing they’re just using it to be edgy.

      They used to say “as an r-slur” but when that became unacceptable they switched to autistic. A lot of the people saying this stuff don’t actually genuinely think they’re autistic, they’re just assholes.

      Which is a problem because our autistic friends struggle to recognise it. And they’re a vulnerable group for grooming.

      • Othello [comrade/them, love/loves]@hexbear.netEnglish
        12·
        10 months ago

        i agree with everything you said, please read this in a friendly and confused tone. i dont see how that contrast with my original statement. My goal was to make self diagnosed comrades who were feeling insecure from assholes in the post above feel better. the fake disorder crigne sub is harmful imo. there are definitely the keffels of the world and tic tok teens and those people suck but do not invalidate actual autistic individuals self diagnosis.

        Which is a problem because our autistic friends struggle to recognise it. And they’re a vulnerable group for grooming.

        hahaha oh trust me I know. I have been left feeling tricked and hurt quite a few times, I still always believe my comrades unless I have reason not to.

      • vomit_sounds [any]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
        5·
        10 months ago

        Which is a problem because our autistic friends struggle to recognise it. And they’re a vulnerable group for grooming.

        what do you mean by this exactly and how should the issue be adressed, then, in your opinion?

        • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          14·
          10 months ago

          It’s similar to the vulnerability that young eggs (trans people that haven’t realised it yet) have to grooming by the far right.

          They give them attention in a certain set of specific ways and then pipeline them into right wing online spaces and behaviours through various targeted grooming methods. I use the word grooming here because it’s specifically the young teens that are most vulnerable to it and the main core of the people targeted.

          I don’t know how the issue should be addressed. I’m just highlighting it as an issue. We do need to avoid invalidating self-diagnosis autism but also need to counter the shitheads.

          • vomit_sounds [any]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
            8·
            10 months ago

            This is not meant as a rebuke or lecture, mostly thinking aloud.

            I am unsure about reclaiming terms from the shitheads. I suppose it is necessary.

            Arguments of positionality are a curse and there are counters to them, but they need to be expanded. For example, tokenism and showing how that person is harming their own group would be a start.

            Fakeclaiming requires a lot of looking at individual cases to be even semi viable. It is in my experience mostly harmful.

            Arguments should be dealt with in a principaled manner while recognizing identities in a way that stops presupposing that Identity X has a right to opinion Y, I think.

            This is not meant as a diss, I just kinda feel tired being suspicious all the time and wanted to give some thoughts(funny thing for a 1 month account to say, but I have been around for some time, I just occassionally delete my acc bc of OPsec, believe me 🥺)

            • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              5·
              10 months ago

              It’s ok I understand what you’re getting at - trying to think about solutions to the problem while avoiding causing more problems in the process.

              I’m somewhat stuck with it. It’s easy to see the problem and it’s also easy to see how our usual tactics for countering it are insufficient without also hurting actual autistic people. It deserves some longterm thought, perhaps people will eventually start to find some solutions.

    • Outdoor_Catgirl [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      10·
      10 months ago

      If you’re an undiagnosed adult, then getting a mental disorder diagnosis will not help you if you are functional/conforming within society. Only if you need disability money because you can’t exist in capitalism right does it make sense to seek diagnosis.