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      California was a free state from the start. Not to say it didnt benifit, but its pretty hard to quantify that in any meaningful way. Plus the state has a far more notable and easier to quantify list of autrocities, the scalp hunting of native americans being the largest and most brutal.

      Any reperation like system should be on a socio-economic level, prioritize historically poor areas first. Not to say you cant give direct reperations for certain things, for example it shouldnt be too hard to track down families whos properties were serized for the construction of the Interstate system, most of who were minorities or poor.

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        It’s possible to quantify the import/export values with the slave holding states, and from there determine the economic benefits slavery had in non slave holding states.

        This discussion is kinda pointless, though, because whitey will never pay for his crimes. Not any of them. Not for the genocides, not for enslavement, not for land theft, nothing. Whitey will never willingly give up what he took.

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          And what exactly did people nowadays take, you can quantify damages for the living IE those who suffered under segregation. But using my ancestors for example, while they were no John Brown they still tortured and killed a solid number of slave hunters for fun.

          White aint a unified block, a Polish american may benefit from the social circumstances of being white but their ancestors probably had no attachments to the institutions themselves. But why am I wasting my time with ya, every person who ive heard use the term whitey unironically has been a whelp not worth talking to.

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            Generational wealth means that white people today benefit from the wealth created by slavery, even if slavery ended a long time ago. They benefit even if their family never owned slaves, because the economic gains from slavery benefitted all of white America. America was built by slaves and it has to pay for that, but the white voting bloc won’t let it happen.

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            What.

            It isn’t a contest. Slavery and genocide are both bad and this country should be forced to pay for both! There’s no reason to pit these issues against each other.

            Within California, yeah, the genocide was worse than the slavery. But fuck, slavery isn’t just forced labor. It’s also rape, imprisonment, torture, and worse. California still benefitted from that system, even if they didn’t own their own slaves.

            Reparations for all of Amerikkka’s victims. Bankrupt this shithole demon country to pay back the untold trillions in damages it owes.

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              So how come you’re not arguing for native reparations except when called out on it? It absolutely is a contest in that there’s not infinite money. And natives deserve it more. They should be first in line. We stole their entire land and massacred almost their entire population. Our homes rest on the graves of their ancestors.

              You don’t care about equity or reparations, you just want a cash grab.

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                Because it’s off topic! Literally whataboutism.

                You just don’t want anyone getting reparations. Not Black people, not Natives, no one.

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                  It’s only off topic because you guys refuse to address the topic.

                  But yes. Literally, what about native Californians. Answer the question.

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                    It’s off topic because the thread is literally about reparations for Black people.

                    And the answer is reparations for every victim of Amerikkka. There’s no need to pick and choose. You just want to pit people against each other so no one gets anything.