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The democrats and their presidents fucking suck. They don’t do anything to actually solve the problem and help the people. They seem to want to maintain the status quo together with the republicans, they are literally the same party, the only difference is that the republicans went maskoff after Bush Jr.
It’s like Raul Castro said;
President Raúl Castro said he saw no difference between Democrats and Republicans.
Castro recalled a conversation with a US official during President Obama’s recent visit. He told the official, he said: “It’s as if we had two parties in Cuba and Fidel led one and I led the other.”
And they don’t do shit to stop the Republicans. In Bolivia, when Lucho won the election against the U.S.-backed candidate, the first thing he did was arrest former dictator Jeanine and fascist leader Camacho and their allies. He also cancelled all the IMF loans she took. The same thing in Honduras. Even in Brazil, where the socdem government is a minority. 1.200 people went to jail for attempting a coup, Bolsonaro close allies went to jail. Bolsonaro lost his political rights, most of his reforms were reversed on day one, and he faces jail time for a bunch of crimes.
Vote Biden people! The only other option will be a fascist or fascist enabler. I don’t like it anymore than you do.
First of all,
Second of all, the US is in irreversible decline. All roads point downhill, and there’s no stopping the process of collapse. Who gives a shit about damage control and lesser-evilism. The collapse of the US empire is better than trying to live under it.
Third of all, what’s your argument for electoralism and libby bibby bullshit liberalism being anything other than “rational fascism” and a failed ideology?
dude, your idea of “fighting” is voting for a literal fucking neolib conservative ghoul and then jerking yourself off over the difference you’ve made
if you want to fight so bad, join the next BLM protest in your city and fight the literal fascists with badges in the street; disturb the fucking peace, organize direct action and stop smugly congratulating yourself for supporting the blue wing of a fascist fucking project
If you want to stop being miserable. Join the fight!
We’re all miserable, and we’re all already in the fight. We’re fighting against bullshit liberalism that doesn’t fucking work so we can move onto revolution.
Okay if you believe all that then shut up.
You don’t give a shit about working class people at all. All you care about is hegemony of speech and hegemony of thought. We’re not going to bend the knee to the likes of you chauvinist liberals.
All you’re doing is spread doomer bullshit that isn’t helping anyone.
Listen, fuckface, you’ve had over 50 years to prove liberal democracy and electoralism to be a legit form of praxis. The US is a failed state, and you aren’t helping anyone with your infantile cult-like evangelizing of the existing superstructure of the state that was built specifically to enslave and oppress the working class, people of color, and other relevant minority demographics (LGBTQ+ come to mind)
Die quietly and let everyone else die fighting.
Yeah? I don’t mind meeting you on the battlefield and letting our bullets do the talking. You’re insufferable and your ideology is at an end globally. You’re the one on the ropes here, not us. You’re the one panicking and scrambling to save a system that is in complete, perfect opposition to working class interests.
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Bullets are more effective than votes. This is class war. What are your class interests? What’s your income look like? How about your housing situation?
You deliberately evaded my questions about your class interests, your income and housing situation, which is very telling. You seem to have the most to lose from US hegemony’s collapse, thus you oppose our class interests.
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This person likely also owns a home and land, and has a pretty cushy salary. Don’t even waste your time.
You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism. So that you can LARP as a revolutionary soldier.
Again, no evidence to backup your claims here. You’re talking about someone in a vacuum here, which doesn’t work in the real world.
Listen if a violent revolution was going to be successful. Liberal democracy would have turned the USA into socialism by now.
Violent revolution succeeded in China, Cuba, DPRK, Laos, Vietnam, and of course in the former Soviet Republics. Force works. Africa is using force to liberate itself from the yoke of colonialism and neo-colonialism.
Liberal democracy was always meant to be a dictatorship of the capitalist class. We got the New Deal from FDR back in the 40s because of the threat of violent revolution. It was meant to save capitalism and legitimize it in opposition to the Soviet Union. Basically all of the “social democracy” the New Deal provided is now gone, and not by accident.
You’re not going to strip the teeth out of our class conflict and praxis. China is the new global leader and you can seethe and cope about it. The dictatorship of the working class will win. Communism will win.
I’m done engaging with you. History has already proven us to be on the right side of history, and you have nothing to offer working class people whatsoever.
If you’re going to start a revolution, you have to make sure you have more than 50% of the population on your side, at a minimum. The more population on your side the less death will occur. If more than 50% of the population agrees with you, democracy will work just fine.
Congrats this is the dumbest shit I’ve read all month. Successful revolutions in the past had way less than 50% of people participating in them. Also there’s a lot of things in modern day US that more than 50% of people agree on, like universal healthcare, yet it’s nowhere near on the horizon, curious.
For fuckin real if you’re getting paid enough to do game dev as a hobby, maybe listen to people in much more precarious situations.
Like I make barely more than min wage and work retail, you know what my hobby is? Helping to start and raise money for a revolutionary organization focused on indigenous sovereignty.
I’m imaging the end of Braveheart. While being tortured for his audacious campaign for voting dem every 4 years, Lib Wallace screams VOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTE
I thought you libs defeated fascism in 2020. If you’re singing the same song now, it just stands as proof that the dems did Jack shit to curb the rise of fascism, hence there’s no reasons to keep going along with this ‘harm reduction’ thing.
No one needs to convince libs to vote for Biden. They’re already doing that. If you feel you need to though, bother them about it instead of communists
Democrats aren’t even harm reduction at this point, they’re controlled opposition for the Republicans, almost none of them have the will to actually make strong political moves so as to not anger the fascists too much, they’re complete cowards. The ones that do either don’t have any tangible power or they are reigned in by the party so as to be “realistic” and “pragmatic”. Voting Democrat is damn near the same as voting Republican.
What has Biden done to oppose fascism other than not having an orange spray tan? Sure, he may be a senile racist, rapist, reactionary war criminal, but he lacks an orange spray tan and his dementia causes him to sound more confused than unhinged. Don’t you know fascism doesn’t have content or policies it is merely being racist on TV with a weird affectation like a funny mustache or orange spray tan.
It doesn’t matter that Biden has continued Title 42 and increased ICE activity so that he not only outstrips Trump, but is gunning for Obama’s title of “Deporter in Chief”. It doesn’t matter that he has undone any COVID precautions and is trying to get rid of any data and reporting to help the pandemic be ignored. It doesn’t matter than he and the Democrats didn’t do anything to protect trans rights or abortion rights (even when they had the ability to fight back, even if limited). It doesn’t matter that the Biden administration used the COPS program to make sure police departments get increased funding, despite whatever local governments voted to give as a compromise to BLM.
Biden is fighting fascism by being a different person than Trump. In the literal sense, obviously they are figuratively the same person.
Let’s not forget that Biden didn’t reverse the embargo on Cuba and the sanctions on Venezuela, and added a series of sanctions against Nicaragua because the US-backed candidate lost the elections. He added Cuba to the list that the US accuses of “not cooperating fully” in the battle against terrorism for no fucking reason other than to fuck Cuba and the Cuban people.
Fuck, even fucking Obama removed large parts of the embargo. Even Jimmy Carter, in his fucking 90s, does more to improve US relations with the Global South than Biden.
The US is an illegitimate country built on the enslavement of other human beings, the exploitation of Africans, the humiliation of Africans, the plunder of Africa and all of these go double for the entire Global South.
Presidents don’t matter, really. They will always represent the interests of the capitalist class, and the deep state (or, permanent government, whom survive transitions of power).
We’re not going to support fascism, no matter the circumstances. We’re not going to support fascists, no matter if they are “less fascist” than other fascists (which makes no fucking sense).
We’re also not going to play into electoralist nonsense. Revolution first, reform second.
You can’t reform a system that is controlled by the class that necessarily must be eliminated to liberate everyone. What ruling class would allow their power to be voted away? Has that ever happened? No it hasn’t, and it isn’t going to happen
The constant “emergency” represented by the current cycle is connected to the fact that the dems don’t just not give a shit about fascism but literally bankroll far-right candidates. They want Republicans to be as far right as possible because it lets them be “left of the Republicans” while still being far to the right, and by keeping their base in a neverending sense of crisis, of “now is not the time to seek positive change, we need to reduce harm” with no means of stopping harm or, God forbid, reversing harm, you are literally just wasting your time telling people to vote for a slow death over a quick one instead of considering how to stop the killing.
I beg of you to realize that unconditionally voting for someone who is less right wing means they can and will take your vote for granted and thereby never give you anything.
They’ve been running this “vote against the Republican” bullshit for around a half century and it’s what got us here.
Instead of trying to convince us to vote for candidates who suck, you should go try to convince them to suck less. Then they could earn our votes. So simple!
I think the only real thing he’s done to oppose fascism is to have his justice department arrest January 6th people, but that’s basically meaningless in the bigger picture.
He’s not doing anything to actually deal with the conditions that lead people to fascism, and he’s sure as hell not fighting against any of the fascist measures being implemented around the nation.
Sure, but it won’t change the general trajectory of things. Every administration of this century has had more in common with one another than in difference.
But honestly, I don’t care how you vote. In all likelihood, your state’s electoral college is already locked in one way or another. The point is that talking about this precise election cycle as though it is singularly important in history, as though creation and destruction hinge on it… kinda misses the overall pattern it exists in. I remember when Bush was the ultimate evil, a uniquely stupid and backward looking candidate…
This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter. You better take it!
You’ve failed to prove any of what you’ve said here. You’re a wrecker, and what you’re advocating for is the most boring shit ever.
Nobody cares about electoralism anymore, and we’re not going to engage in lesser-evilism. You don’t fight class war and win by engaging in the ruling class’ institutions and the rules they’ve arbitrarily made to defend their class dictatorship.
The US empire will die, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
If fascism is on the ballot, then your election is bullshit
Everything else is pure Dems pull these same vote panic lines over and over every election. “Its Dems or the end of democracy” if that’s the case then democracy is already over. Not that it ever existed for anyone outside the ruling class
It is harder than voting for diet fascism and shitting on people that aren’t insulated and privileged lanyard-wearing smug computer touchers like yourself.
This thread has been a fascinating look into the mind of a evangelist.
Since they can only ever conceptualise change occuring via electoralism they seem to see not voting as therefore not doing anything.
Like, the only way to change the world is by voting for the lesser of two evils and hoping that maybe they might possibly do a watered down version of what you want.
Fucking bleak, no wonder fake edgy pop-nihilism is so popular among liberals.
Like, the only way to change the world is by voting for the lesser of two evils and hoping that maybe they might possibly do a watered down version of what you want.
If you seriously haven’t heard the slang before, there’s a difference between touching a computer and being a computer toucher in much the say way that most people play video games but only some are capital-G “Epic G!mers.” Coincidentially, the political ideology of both latter groups tend to line up.
Yes, I physically touched a computer to write this reply. However, I am not in a tech field where I am paid to touch that computer and paid so much on top of that that it’s my paid obligation to have absolutely horrible political takes because they’re in my class interest to believe in them.
Votes are earned.
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what the fuck do you think Biden is? or did you forget roe v wade is gone?
The democrats and their presidents fucking suck. They don’t do anything to actually solve the problem and help the people. They seem to want to maintain the status quo together with the republicans, they are literally the same party, the only difference is that the republicans went maskoff after Bush Jr.
It’s like Raul Castro said;
And they don’t do shit to stop the Republicans. In Bolivia, when Lucho won the election against the U.S.-backed candidate, the first thing he did was arrest former dictator Jeanine and fascist leader Camacho and their allies. He also cancelled all the IMF loans she took. The same thing in Honduras. Even in Brazil, where the socdem government is a minority. 1.200 people went to jail for attempting a coup, Bolsonaro close allies went to jail. Bolsonaro lost his political rights, most of his reforms were reversed on day one, and he faces jail time for a bunch of crimes.
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Nothing, which is my point. There is no point in electing him because he did jack shit to address the problem, he just let it happen.
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You can’t meaningfully tell me it’s less likely with one than the other, based upon, y’know, evidence.
also, the plan is to do shit that isn’t sit on my ass for four years then pick one white guy to ascribe all progress or regression to.
I banned. Don’t worry.
no worries, this was a standard lib.
Fair enough.
You already mentioned biden
First of all,
Second of all, the US is in irreversible decline. All roads point downhill, and there’s no stopping the process of collapse. Who gives a shit about damage control and lesser-evilism. The collapse of the US empire is better than trying to live under it.
Third of all, what’s your argument for electoralism and libby bibby bullshit liberalism being anything other than “rational fascism” and a failed ideology?
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“The fight” has absolutely nothing to do with voting for Biden you jackass
I banned 'em. Don’t worry now.
Die fighting, by voting once every 4 years
They’re banned now.
dude, your idea of “fighting” is voting for a literal fucking neolib conservative ghoul and then jerking yourself off over the difference you’ve made
if you want to fight so bad, join the next BLM protest in your city and fight the literal fascists with badges in the street; disturb the fucking peace, organize direct action and stop smugly congratulating yourself for supporting the blue wing of a fascist fucking project
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You’re a fucking clown. At least learn how to juggle and ride a unicycle. 🤡
I banned 'em now. Let it go for now.
Thank you for closing the circus. It sucked.
Yes. Banned them for being a wrecker.
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You didn’t answer my question, jackass.
We’re all miserable, and we’re all already in the fight. We’re fighting against bullshit liberalism that doesn’t fucking work so we can move onto revolution.
You don’t give a shit about working class people at all. All you care about is hegemony of speech and hegemony of thought. We’re not going to bend the knee to the likes of you chauvinist liberals.
Listen, fuckface, you’ve had over 50 years to prove liberal democracy and electoralism to be a legit form of praxis. The US is a failed state, and you aren’t helping anyone with your infantile cult-like evangelizing of the existing superstructure of the state that was built specifically to enslave and oppress the working class, people of color, and other relevant minority demographics (LGBTQ+ come to mind)
Yeah? I don’t mind meeting you on the battlefield and letting our bullets do the talking. You’re insufferable and your ideology is at an end globally. You’re the one on the ropes here, not us. You’re the one panicking and scrambling to save a system that is in complete, perfect opposition to working class interests.
Bullets are more effective than votes. This is class war. What are your class interests? What’s your income look like? How about your housing situation?
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You deliberately evaded my questions about your class interests, your income and housing situation, which is very telling. You seem to have the most to lose from US hegemony’s collapse, thus you oppose our class interests.
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Again, no evidence to backup your claims here. You’re talking about someone in a vacuum here, which doesn’t work in the real world.
Violent revolution succeeded in China, Cuba, DPRK, Laos, Vietnam, and of course in the former Soviet Republics. Force works. Africa is using force to liberate itself from the yoke of colonialism and neo-colonialism.
Liberal democracy was always meant to be a dictatorship of the capitalist class. We got the New Deal from FDR back in the 40s because of the threat of violent revolution. It was meant to save capitalism and legitimize it in opposition to the Soviet Union. Basically all of the “social democracy” the New Deal provided is now gone, and not by accident.
You’re not going to strip the teeth out of our class conflict and praxis. China is the new global leader and you can seethe and cope about it. The dictatorship of the working class will win. Communism will win.
I’m done engaging with you. History has already proven us to be on the right side of history, and you have nothing to offer working class people whatsoever.
Enjoy the dustbin of history.
They’re banned now.
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Being an affluent and sycophantic bootlicker for the ruling class places you in a different category, yes.
Congrats this is the dumbest shit I’ve read all month. Successful revolutions in the past had way less than 50% of people participating in them. Also there’s a lot of things in modern day US that more than 50% of people agree on, like universal healthcare, yet it’s nowhere near on the horizon, curious.
Of course you’re a smug and insulated computer toucher.
For fuckin real if you’re getting paid enough to do game dev as a hobby, maybe listen to people in much more precarious situations.
Like I make barely more than min wage and work retail, you know what my hobby is? Helping to start and raise money for a revolutionary organization focused on indigenous sovereignty.
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What a badass and moviebrained way to spin the le epic gesture of
You’re banned now.
I thought you libs defeated fascism in 2020. If you’re singing the same song now, it just stands as proof that the dems did Jack shit to curb the rise of fascism, hence there’s no reasons to keep going along with this ‘harm reduction’ thing.
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No one needs to convince libs to vote for Biden. They’re already doing that. If you feel you need to though, bother them about it instead of communists
Yeah, don’t worry, they’re banned.
Oh thanks!
Democrats aren’t even harm reduction at this point, they’re controlled opposition for the Republicans, almost none of them have the will to actually make strong political moves so as to not anger the fascists too much, they’re complete cowards. The ones that do either don’t have any tangible power or they are reigned in by the party so as to be “realistic” and “pragmatic”. Voting Democrat is damn near the same as voting Republican.
deaf fish also just swim with the flow … i always thought it only the dead …
It’s a good thing Biden is a strong opponent to fascism
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What has Biden done to oppose fascism other than not having an orange spray tan? Sure, he may be a senile racist, rapist, reactionary war criminal, but he lacks an orange spray tan and his dementia causes him to sound more confused than unhinged. Don’t you know fascism doesn’t have content or policies it is merely being racist on TV with a weird affectation like a funny mustache or orange spray tan.
It doesn’t matter that Biden has continued Title 42 and increased ICE activity so that he not only outstrips Trump, but is gunning for Obama’s title of “Deporter in Chief”. It doesn’t matter that he has undone any COVID precautions and is trying to get rid of any data and reporting to help the pandemic be ignored. It doesn’t matter than he and the Democrats didn’t do anything to protect trans rights or abortion rights (even when they had the ability to fight back, even if limited). It doesn’t matter that the Biden administration used the COPS program to make sure police departments get increased funding, despite whatever local governments voted to give as a compromise to BLM.
Biden is fighting fascism by being a different person than Trump. In the literal sense, obviously they are figuratively the same person.
Let’s not forget that Biden didn’t reverse the embargo on Cuba and the sanctions on Venezuela, and added a series of sanctions against Nicaragua because the US-backed candidate lost the elections. He added Cuba to the list that the US accuses of “not cooperating fully” in the battle against terrorism for no fucking reason other than to fuck Cuba and the Cuban people.
Fuck, even fucking Obama removed large parts of the embargo. Even Jimmy Carter, in his fucking 90s, does more to improve US relations with the Global South than Biden.
lol Nice emoji.
We have the best emojis folks. Many people are saying
I hear lots of people saying…
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absolutely incredible
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Are you doing a bit? If so,
Extremely simple. I don’t vote for people who don’t oppose fascism. That sounds like supporting fascism to me
You’re here to engage in revisionism and pull us to the right. Just know we always punch right, so if you don’t want to get hit, don’t stand there.
President of Socialist Party of Zambia: Human development is not sustainable on basis of plunder
The US is an illegitimate country built on the enslavement of other human beings, the exploitation of Africans, the humiliation of Africans, the plunder of Africa and all of these go double for the entire Global South.
Presidents don’t matter, really. They will always represent the interests of the capitalist class, and the deep state (or, permanent government, whom survive transitions of power).
We’re not going to support fascism, no matter the circumstances. We’re not going to support fascists, no matter if they are “less fascist” than other fascists (which makes no fucking sense).
We’re also not going to play into electoralist nonsense. Revolution first, reform second.
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You can’t reform a system that is controlled by the class that necessarily must be eliminated to liberate everyone. What ruling class would allow their power to be voted away? Has that ever happened? No it hasn’t, and it isn’t going to happen
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Your baby-brained view of the world is incredibly simple. The world that you are ignorant of is not.
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Can you jerk yourself off any faster here?
A hilariously shit take doesn’t deserve anything but to be flushed away.
Its the new
They’re all fascists. The US is a fascist state.
The constant “emergency” represented by the current cycle is connected to the fact that the dems don’t just not give a shit about fascism but literally bankroll far-right candidates. They want Republicans to be as far right as possible because it lets them be “left of the Republicans” while still being far to the right, and by keeping their base in a neverending sense of crisis, of “now is not the time to seek positive change, we need to reduce harm” with no means of stopping harm or, God forbid, reversing harm, you are literally just wasting your time telling people to vote for a slow death over a quick one instead of considering how to stop the killing.
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I beg of you to realize that unconditionally voting for someone who is less right wing means they can and will take your vote for granted and thereby never give you anything.
They’ve been running this “vote against the Republican” bullshit for around a half century and it’s what got us here.
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Instead of trying to convince us to vote for candidates who suck, you should go try to convince them to suck less. Then they could earn our votes. So simple!
Take that buffalo nickel i saved you off your 4th of July BBQ and buy yourself a chocolate chocolate chip, and be sure to
for me or the other Biden
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I think the only real thing he’s done to oppose fascism is to have his justice department arrest January 6th people, but that’s basically meaningless in the bigger picture.
He’s not doing anything to actually deal with the conditions that lead people to fascism, and he’s sure as hell not fighting against any of the fascist measures being implemented around the nation.
You’ve already started
joe biden is a fascist
No, it wasn’t. I banned 'em doh.
Thank you!
Sure, but it won’t change the general trajectory of things. Every administration of this century has had more in common with one another than in difference.
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Drat, you’re on to me!
But honestly, I don’t care how you vote. In all likelihood, your state’s electoral college is already locked in one way or another. The point is that talking about this precise election cycle as though it is singularly important in history, as though creation and destruction hinge on it… kinda misses the overall pattern it exists in. I remember when Bush was the ultimate evil, a uniquely stupid and backward looking candidate…
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Your Democracy is a Sham and Here’s Why
We’re not going to waste energy on something proven to be a failed practice.
Your argument boils down to that of a gambling addict who doesn’t know when to stop, despite increased harm the longer you perpetuate it.
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You haven’t even engaged with the material I provided, which answers your questions.
Here’s an example of a successful country with actual fucking democracy, and this wasn’t all made possible by masturbating the idea of electoralism back in WWII: Things You CAN Do in China (You CAN’T Do in America) Americans WON’T Believe It…
This is your second chance to engage in good faith. Better take it.
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You’ve failed to prove any of what you’ve said here. You’re a wrecker, and what you’re advocating for is the most boring shit ever.
Nobody cares about electoralism anymore, and we’re not going to engage in lesser-evilism. You don’t fight class war and win by engaging in the ruling class’ institutions and the rules they’ve arbitrarily made to defend their class dictatorship.
The US empire will die, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
If fascism is on the ballot, then your election is bullshit
Everything else is pure
Dems pull these same vote panic lines over and over every election. “Its Dems or the end of democracy” if that’s the case then democracy is already over. Not that it ever existed for anyone outside the ruling class
It is harder than voting for diet fascism and shitting on people that aren’t insulated and privileged lanyard-wearing smug computer touchers like yourself.
This thread has been a fascinating look into the mind of a
evangelist.
Since they can only ever conceptualise change occuring via electoralism they seem to see not voting as therefore not doing anything.
Like, the only way to change the world is by voting for the lesser of two evils and hoping that maybe they might possibly do a watered down version of what you want.
Fucking bleak, no wonder fake edgy pop-nihilism is so popular among liberals.
Big-time West Wing victory conditions.
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If you seriously haven’t heard the slang before, there’s a difference between touching a computer and being a computer toucher in much the say way that most people play video games but only some are capital-G “Epic G!mers.” Coincidentially, the political ideology of both latter groups tend to line up.
Yes, I physically touched a computer to write this reply. However, I am not in a tech field where I am paid to touch that computer and paid so much on top of that that it’s my paid obligation to have absolutely horrible political takes because they’re in my class interest to believe in them.