• Platomus
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    You’re not describing a gay person then.

    If a person isn’t attracted to the same sex, they aren’t gay - would you say that statement is true?

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      No. Being gay isn’t about attraction. It is someone who engages in homosexual behavior. A straight person who has no desires for other men can be called gay if he engages in homosexual activities.

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        So a person who is sexually attracted to the same sex isn’t gay?

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          He also is. But if he never acts upon those desires, people will never know. It’s between him and God. The sin is not having those desires, but acting upon them.

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            So then being gay is about attraction?

            You’re saying contradicting stuff here.

            You understand there is a difference between a gay man and the act of gay sex right? Not everything has to do with your religion.

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              I’ve literally repeated myself and explained it several times already. It seems to me like you’re just trolling here. I know there is a difference between a gay man and the act of gay sex. You are saying being gay has to do with desires which I agree. But in society, someone isn’t labeled gay until they’ve actually done the deed. Internally they may have desires for the same sex, which they should seek help in getting rid of, but as long as they keep it to themselves then they aren’t harming society and no one would know if they are gay or not. Your actions define who you are, not your feelings.

              Not everything has to do with your religion.

              Yes it does, Religion dictates your life. It is where you get your morals and values from. If you don’t have any foundation, what morality and ethics can you impose on others?

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                I’m asking over and over again because you keep contradicting yourself, so I’m trying to get a concrete definition from you.

                Just tell me what you think a homosexual person is. Is it someone pretending to be interested in the same sex? Can a person actually be attracted to the same sex or is it just something they’re “tricked” into?

                Religion dictates YOUR life. The same way I don’t push my anti-theism on you, I don’t think you should push religion on others.

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                  Ok. My definition of a homosexual person is someone who does sexual activities with the same gender and/or has desires for the same gender. Plain and simple.

                  How these desires form is a different question because they can be developed through personal experiences as I mentioned before.

                  Can a person actually be attracted to the same sex? Yes.

                  Can they be tricked into it? Also Yes.

                  You must also have a religion. If you are atheist, then where do you get your morals and values from? It can’t just come from a vacuum. What is your purpose in life?

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                    I’m anti-theist, not atheist.

                    That’s also a different definition than what you said earlier. Earlier you said it was a choice only. Now you’re saying it’s something that can be internal and part of a person. Do you see why I’m having trouble having a conversation with you?

                    I get my morals from thinking about things - what I think does the best for the most people. Being homosexual hurts no one so it’s morally okay with me.

                    Where do you get yours from? It sounds like you just chose the simplest, easiest option instead of choosing to think about your own actions and the morals that guide them.