• Cleverdawny
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    There’s been an unbroken streak of violence since 1948, when the Arab states refused to allow the partition and began an offensive war. This has been followed by other military attempts by the Arabs, supported by the Palestinians, until they finally lost decisively in the 1970s. That has been followed by five decades of intermittent terrorism and organized attacks.

    I get wanting to criticize Israel. Their policies have been dog shit in many areas… but intentionally attacking civilians is something which Israel doesn’t need to tolerate.

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        Nope, they aren’t. You could make a quite reasonable argument that Israel isn’t doing enough to avoid collateral civilian deaths, but at the end of the day, the reason civilians die while Israel fights Hamas is that Hamas hides behind civilians. Claiming Israel is intentionally killing civilians is blatantly dishonest.

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            Why is Israel under an obligation to endlessly supply water and electricity for a people who place genocidal terrorists as their government? I mean, I’m glad the Biden admin got them to turn the water back on but how often will the hand which feeds get bitten before it stops feeding

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              The median age in Palestine is 18. A majority weren’t alive for that “election”. Hamas isn’t even Democratic. They are jihadists who are consolidating power.

              This rhetoric is insane. If we substitute America for Israel people would be foaming at the mouth on Palestinian side, and they wouldn’t be making these false equivalency between Hamas and Palestine.

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                How is referring to the government of a country and that country a “false equivalency?”

                If Gazans don’t want to catch the consequences of Hamas fucking around, they should probably do something about Hamas

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                  They don’t have resources to do this. They are in a concentration camp. The world’s largest open air prison. Israel bombs their hospitals, kills jounralists, and insane amount of propaganda. I am sure you’d seen the crazy ads that have been floating around the past week of images of babies and trying to get an emotional reaction from people.

                  Just because Trump was elected president, it doesn’t mean he represented all of us. It’s like saying, “hur dur, American people elected Trump so let’s kill every American” when he didn’t win the popular vote at all. That’s the false equivalency or whatever appropriate term is used here. Hamas doesn’t represent the Palestinian people, and Israel keeps them in the condition where Hamas can operate. Keep in mind, doing this just radicalizes people and creates more and more terrorist groups which then Israel can turn around and go, “SEE, SEE??? SEE??? THE PALESTINIANS ARE ANIMALS AND MAKE TERRORISTS!” Every avenue of diplomacy has been shot down with Gaza and Palestine. Every single one. This is a genocide.

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                    And why does Israel bomb Gaza? Because Gaza repeatedly launches rockets at Israel. Maybe they shouldn’t do that.

                    Hamas doesn’t represent the Palestinian people

                    They… represent Gaza. Because they’re the government of Gaza.

                    Every avenue of diplomacy has been shot down with Gaza

                    How are you supposed to be diplomatic with genocidal terrorists? Hmm?

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              They wouldn’t have to “feed” and “provide water to” their prisoners if they didn’t have them in barely more than concentration camps

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                They’re free to go anywhere they want to which will have them.