Russia has lost 87% of its deployed troops by recent estimates, so fortunately it’s increasingly looking like the only way Russia can “win” is by saving face and removing their troops from occupied Ukrainian territories, including Crimea.
If you seriously believe that 87% of russian troops have been lost you need to take a long hard look at why you think that’s true. Like think about it, if theyve lost that many troops then why haven’t the battle lines shifted in any meaningful way basically all year ? Why is there no outrage and overflowing graveyards, or increased mobilization in Russia if thats the case ?
Seriously like whatever side of the conflict you’re on aside, if you want any intellectual credibility you gotta think about that one
Deployed troops, not troop reserves. The estimates are fairly accurate and have been fact checked by multiple intelligence groups. There’s burn pits for the bodies of dead Russians, don’t exactly need a graveyard when they go up in smoke.
The 87% is from the US latest estimate of 315,000 casualties. This lines up fairly well with Ukrainian reports, as well as UK, and AUS reports. Fortunately burn pits are hard to hide from satellite imagery.
Unfortunately my access to these images is limited due to the sensitive nature of the military optics involved, however in the future, the ICC will judiciate these war crimes, and the evidence will likely see public eyes.
To be fair, the ICC doesn’t act preemptively, it adjudicates matters of the past. South Africa as every right to promote an investigation, as every war/conflict should be investigated thoroughly.
This really depends on the war/conflict being discussed, but generally speaking the US’s global policy is to support democracy and the humane treatment of humans. Respecting this general stance, it’s easy to back Ukraine in a defensive manor, protecting the sovereign control from foreign Russian aggression.
Fuck, I remember you now, you’re that fucker who made it like two comments into defending that ridiculous thesis a few months ago before turning around and crying to some other instance that I said something that I plainly didn’t. I don’t remember exactly what it was. I think I discussed the DPRK, but there was something else to it too.
Which intelligence groups? Surely ones with actual credibility, right? Not the ones that lied about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. Not the ones that lied about covid being a Chinese bioweapon while murdering their own citizens because doing something to protect people from covid would reduce profits. Not the ones that lied about Hamas beheading babies. Any intelligence group that ever spread any of those lies has zero credibility.
So ones with no credibility as I just demonstrated. Verify that they’ve lied to you in the past, but trust that they won’t this time.
How was Trump’s handling of covid any different than Biden’s? They both pushed the strategy of doing less testing so we have less cases. Vaccine uptake was abysmal under both, and will only get worse now that vaccines have gone from being free to costing almost $200. The majority of Americans have been gathering without masks at places like restaurants since day 1 because corporate media has constantly said sacrificing people for the economy is good, and no public official has even attempted to do anything to stop that. Trump’s covid response was bipartisan from the start.
Actually many American’s chose to wear masks, including myself, based on public health guidance. There’s definitely some inadvisable decisions made by those largely under the Trump umbrella, but they’re an outlier that make for entertaining news segments.
Yeah, the people under the Trump umbrella were pretty bad. Remember when they spat in the face of science and public health to cut the isolation period for covid cases in half because delta airlines complained about losing money? It’s crazy that some people don’t condemn them for that and tragic that there were never any criminal charges for such an incredible abuse of power.
I really don’t mean this in a condescending way, and I understand why someone consuming certain kinds of media might think this… but this is truly delusional. So wildly at odds with the reality of the situation that you would probably be better served just not reading about the conflict at all than by reading whatever it is you’ve been reading.
I intake media from all sides, it’s important to know the scope of propaganda coming from every outlet. Fortunately there’s enough sources to corroborate the information I’ve relayed here. For the Russian propaganda machine, the same cannot be said. How’s Prigozhin doing?
Propaganda is rhetoric designed to produce support for or against particular decisions/actions. Russian propaganda is shaped to meet Putin’s goals, but easily disproven and consistently, blatantly false.
I’m spurring debate in a conflict ridden world. It’s important to understand and discuss all sides, but to maintain an understanding of historical context to guide this discourse.
The capabilities of Ukraine to be able to make these assessments are lacking due to the chaos Russian forces decided to bring to their country. I would take their numbers with a grain of salt, requiring corroboration, however the true numbers likeli lie somewhere in the middle of the highest and lowest casualty counts emminated by intelligence.
I mean he kills, or attempts to kill off opposition, think Alexi Navalny, in an effort to remain in power. Not exactly free and fair elections, but I do hope change is coming! I believe the Russian people deserve a democratic process.
Thank you for reiterating and assisting getting this important message across. 315,000 casualties is no joke. This needless loss is directly attributable to Russian aggression.
Thank you for recognizing dangerous Russian propaganda and the fact that Ukaine does not have full access to their soverign land to make fully accurate assessments. If the aggressor wee to leave occupied territory, then I believe these numbers would come down a bit, however it’s clear Russia has lost considerably fighting this “special operation” in another countries soverign territory.
Russia clearly won, but even if your interjection is plausible. Not if we (Arabs) succeed in dragging the US into another losing war in the Middle East. They are already abandoning Ukraine for Israel. Just imagine if we managed to get troops in Yemen. The US is exercising restraint with Yemen for a reason, already spread too thin and just came out of two losing wars, and we will keep triggering it until it bites.
Not really, the US has been pumping the breaks on Israeli aid because of the indiscriminate bombings in Gaza. The US believes the civilians in Gaza have a right to their territory as a 2 state solution is desired.
literally yesterday. I know you’re trying to still believe the US Government/Biden has any morality here but they don’t. Stop listening to the lies of politicians, you are being misled and now you’re spreading disinformation in service of ethnic cleansing and imperialism.
Actions are more important than words. The U.S. is going out of its way to expedite the artillery needed to continue Israel’s indiscriminate bombing of civillians in its ongoing genocidal campaign against Palestinians.
Please I am begging you do not take these organizations at face value- read what the poster above you sent and recognize the distance between the statement “You need to comply with international law more closely” and the action: here is a way for us to get you bombs for you to use more quickly.
If on one hand part of the state apparatus is signaling for “restraint” but the state is accelerating its ability to provide weapons that its calling for restraint in use of the actual stance is clear: what you’re doing is fine by the state.
It’s alright, we can agree to disagree. Biden has criticized the Netanyahu government for their treatment of Palestinians. More should be done to ensure their safety, hence the conditial provisions of arms, but the United States policy stance has clear ambitions for a 2 state solution. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu government are okay with this, however it remains the United States ambition. I truly hope we can see this conflict resolved in my lifetime.
As far as I’m aware, the US has not fired any weapons on Gaza soil. There’s been some defensive strikes to the north in Lebanon, but that’s it. Seems like a stretch to call the United States complicit when it’s goals do not align with the Netantahu government.
You still haven’t been able to back up your claim that the USA is putting the breaks on it’s aid of Isreal because of the genocide. All you’ve done is point to the US going “we’d like it if you slowed down on the genocide, but we’ll 100 support you if you don’t” and tried to equivocate that as being the same, when it really isn’t.
I said pumping the breaks. There’s still legitimate concern for the removal of Hamas as the acting government of Gaza. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu backed Israeli government want a 2 state solution, however this remains the US states policy. Whoever can broker a deal that affirms a 2 state solution here will hopefully produce meaningful change towards this conflict.
Did anyone ever tell you the saying “actions speak louder than words” as a kid? Now apply that to state actors. No matter what words their US uses, no matter their criticism, their actions are very clear.
Yes absolutely. That’s why it’s imperative to understand when Putin said we’re not going to invade Ukraine, while staging troops along the Ukraine border, then choosing to in invade the foreign country after the Olympics concluded. Understanding here highlights the wrongful actions Russia knowingly committed, at the direction of Putin, against a sovereign nation. The international community has decided to push back against these attrocities and the ICC will adjudicate the war crimes committed in the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
The US is bankrolling the genocide and vetoed the ceasefire. Who are you lying to?
The US and its interests are a fair and legitimate targets because of its involvement and complicity in the genocide.
As a defensive partner it makes sense to continue to provide aid and arms to Israel for defensive purposes, which includes the removal of a condemned terrorist organization as the acting government of the Gaza strip. This does not reduce or remove the US effort to provide aid and humanitarian support to the citizens of Gaza. A 2 state solution remains the policy of the United States, even if this is a foil with both Hamas and the Netantahu government.
You wouldn’t say this if it was Russia bombing Ukrainians. I’m gonna blame this on racism against Arabs. No other reason to describe the murder of 18,000 civilians and the bombing of schools and hospitals as defensive.
condemned terrorist organization
Citation needed.
According to Wikipedia the countries that consider it as terrorist are only than 13% of the world’s population. That doesn’t seem like much condemnation when 87% of the world aren’t on board.
And the Palestinians are bombed where? in the skies? they are being bombed on their own land that was stolen from them, and in the refugee camps they are forced to live in. Internally displaced on their own land.
I want you to consider this comment and compare it to your previous comment above. You said that the US is reducing spending on Israel because of Israel’s brutal actions. Then when it was pointed out to you that they in fact were doing the opposite, your response was not to then say “wow, that’s really shitty of them” but instead to try and justify their actions to yourself.
Have you no brain? No heart? No soul? No spine? Is this really the person you want to be? Someone licking the boot of the dickhead politicians in Washington so much that you’ll abandon any and all morals to do so? It’s ok to be mad at your government when they do shitty things, even if they are “your team.”
Correct, as the current acting government, Hamas, uses terrorism as a tactic to guide policy change. The US will not succomb to these barbaric tactics. The US is in favor of a 2 state solution though civil discussion and mutual agreement, much like I’m trying to encourage here in this community!
I’ve been at this discourse for hours, there’s definitely some effort involved. I appreciate you having open ears and listening! It’s important to have open dialogue discussing these matters.
I won’t discuss with you further if you’re going to use language like that. None of what I said justifies this response, therefore I’m happy to decline the continuation of this discourse. Have a nice weekend!
And they’ll keep receiving said money because the majority of the United Nations believes Russia is the aggressor. Allowing an aggressor to overtake soverign land is a big no-no to the UN.
Allowing an aggressor to overtake soverign land is a big no-no to the UN
Which is why Israel was stopped from annexing East Jerusalem and the West Bank right? It also explains why the US was not allowed to invade and occupy Syria.
While this may be a desired goal of Netanyahus government, his support by Israelis is dwindling. Let’s not forget Hamas’s desired goals too. In the future, hopefully a more progressive Israeli government echos the United States policy more closely for a 2 state solution.
I’m not sure what a comm is, I’m just commenting on a thread that appears in my “Hot” list. That sounds distasteful and warmongering. I don’t think violence or death threats should ever be supported. Hopefully humanity can learn from this disgusting statement. A defensive pact, which NATO is, does not apply aggression towards sovereign nations.
Please refrain from the use of this hateful language. Not only does it dimish the acts the Nazis committed during WWII, but it calls for the death of an individual. This is not something to be condoned, and should be readily condemned.
“the United
Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) briefed the Council on the allegations of violations of international human rights law and of international humanitarian law in the context of the Russian Federation’s armed attack on Ukraine.”
It definitely highlights Russia as the aggressor in this war. Their decisions alone sparked the conflict and their decision to pull out will be their only saving grace. I want better for the Russian people, they deserve better. I visited St. Petersburg and this young lady was going on about the government failing to provide to it’s people. To the point where frozen pipes burst in her living accomodations. That winter she had to rely on burning wood in a barrel to keep warm. If the Russian government cared for it’s people, such a situation wouldn’t have happened.
I won’t encourage the use of language in the context of this civil discourse. Ukraine is making gains, but it is a slow process as Russia compromised a dam and has riddled the frontlines with anti personal mines. Both of these actions constitute war crimes. “Placing minefields without marking and recording them for later removal is considered a war crime under Protocol II of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons.” Also: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/6/8/blowing-up-ukraines-nova-kakhovka-dam-is-a-war-crime
Russia has lost 87% of its deployed troops by recent estimates, so fortunately it’s increasingly looking like the only way Russia can “win” is by saving face and removing their troops from occupied Ukrainian territories, including Crimea.
If you seriously believe that 87% of russian troops have been lost you need to take a long hard look at why you think that’s true. Like think about it, if theyve lost that many troops then why haven’t the battle lines shifted in any meaningful way basically all year ? Why is there no outrage and overflowing graveyards, or increased mobilization in Russia if thats the case ?
Seriously like whatever side of the conflict you’re on aside, if you want any intellectual credibility you gotta think about that one
Deployed troops, not troop reserves. The estimates are fairly accurate and have been fact checked by multiple intelligence groups. There’s burn pits for the bodies of dead Russians, don’t exactly need a graveyard when they go up in smoke.
Source: “intelligence agencies” that you don’t even name or provide a link to
Evidence: it’s all been burned and so doesn’t exist. The fact the evidence doesn’t exist is proof that it’s true.
The 87% is from the US latest estimate of 315,000 casualties. This lines up fairly well with Ukrainian reports, as well as UK, and AUS reports. Fortunately burn pits are hard to hide from satellite imagery.
Link me something about these satellite images that show “burn pits”
Unfortunately my access to these images is limited due to the sensitive nature of the military optics involved, however in the future, the ICC will judiciate these war crimes, and the evidence will likely see public eyes.
So what you’re saying is that some people claim there are photos? Then the evidence isn’t photos but testimony until those photos are produced
Yessir, the evidence should see public eyes in due time.
Just like how the ICC got cold feet after Isisrael was reported to the ICC by South Africa because
To be fair, the ICC doesn’t act preemptively, it adjudicates matters of the past. South Africa as every right to promote an investigation, as every war/conflict should be investigated thoroughly.
Wait so in your concept of this war, you see the US as a disinterested neutral observer?
Putler woke up one day and his omelette was burnt slightly, so he ordered the sacking of Kiev.
Honestly understandable sometimes its the smallest thing that sets you off, could see myself doing the same
This really depends on the war/conflict being discussed, but generally speaking the US’s global policy is to support democracy and the humane treatment of humans. Respecting this general stance, it’s easy to back Ukraine in a defensive manor, protecting the sovereign control from foreign Russian aggression.
This is a bit?
As in a 1 or a 0? Generally speaking quantum dynamics dictates a gray area is more in line with today’s reasoning.
Fuck, I remember you now, you’re that fucker who made it like two comments into defending that ridiculous thesis a few months ago before turning around and crying to some other instance that I said something that I plainly didn’t. I don’t remember exactly what it was. I think I discussed the DPRK, but there was something else to it too.
I won’t continue a discussion with someone using that type of language. Please refrain from language that does not promote thoughtful discourse.
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Are you okay? Your record may be zkipping.
LMAO. Thanks for the laughs at least.
You bet, humor is an excellent tool to draw attention to real issues. I’m glad I could help illuminate your day!
You dont know who zenz is huh?
Loser
Would you care to teach me what this means? It looks like a cat walked on your keyboard for a moment.
So zero unaligned sources.
You’re welcome to cite alternatives! I’ll hear your arguments!
You’re the one making the claim, dipshit.
I won’t discuss further if you’re going to use unproductive language in this discourse. Thanks for understanding!
Which intelligence groups? Surely ones with actual credibility, right? Not the ones that lied about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction. Not the ones that lied about covid being a Chinese bioweapon while murdering their own citizens because doing something to protect people from covid would reduce profits. Not the ones that lied about Hamas beheading babies. Any intelligence group that ever spread any of those lies has zero credibility.
US, UK, AUS, and Germany for example. Good cooroboration by nations acting independently. Trust but verify holds true.
Aside: Trumps handling of the Coronavirus was abhorrent. He in no way resonates the beliefs of the majority of Americans. He didn’t win by plurality.
So ones with no credibility as I just demonstrated. Verify that they’ve lied to you in the past, but trust that they won’t this time.
How was Trump’s handling of covid any different than Biden’s? They both pushed the strategy of doing less testing so we have less cases. Vaccine uptake was abysmal under both, and will only get worse now that vaccines have gone from being free to costing almost $200. The majority of Americans have been gathering without masks at places like restaurants since day 1 because corporate media has constantly said sacrificing people for the economy is good, and no public official has even attempted to do anything to stop that. Trump’s covid response was bipartisan from the start.
Actually many American’s chose to wear masks, including myself, based on public health guidance. There’s definitely some inadvisable decisions made by those largely under the Trump umbrella, but they’re an outlier that make for entertaining news segments.
Yeah, the people under the Trump umbrella were pretty bad. Remember when they spat in the face of science and public health to cut the isolation period for covid cases in half because delta airlines complained about losing money? It’s crazy that some people don’t condemn them for that and tragic that there were never any criminal charges for such an incredible abuse of power.
There’s been a lot of condemnation handed out for their actions, not sure why you’d think otherwise?
I really don’t mean this in a condescending way, and I understand why someone consuming certain kinds of media might think this… but this is truly delusional. So wildly at odds with the reality of the situation that you would probably be better served just not reading about the conflict at all than by reading whatever it is you’ve been reading.
I intake media from all sides, it’s important to know the scope of propaganda coming from every outlet. Fortunately there’s enough sources to corroborate the information I’ve relayed here. For the Russian propaganda machine, the same cannot be said. How’s Prigozhin doing?
What do you understand as propaganda? And how do you designate what is and what isnt (If you do)
Propaganda is rhetoric designed to produce support for or against particular decisions/actions. Russian propaganda is shaped to meet Putin’s goals, but easily disproven and consistently, blatantly false.
Sounds kinda like kinda what you’re trying to do here. Would you agree?
I’m spurring debate in a conflict ridden world. It’s important to understand and discuss all sides, but to maintain an understanding of historical context to guide this discourse.
How do you differentiate between propaganda and “spurring debate”?
As usual:
Propaganda generally originates from a state and is one sided. Debate can originate between any two individuals.
Do you read any Chinese state media? Eg Global Times.
Yes, albeit with translations, so it may not be a perfect representation of the language.
Actually, they lost 114.7% of all deployed troops by recent estimates: https://www.minusrus.com/en
… that sounds plausible right?
I’m not sure why you’re citing a false statistic. Doesn’t really communicate much to me.
It’s because it comes from the Ukrainian ministry of defense, it’s official Ukrainian data
The capabilities of Ukraine to be able to make these assessments are lacking due to the chaos Russian forces decided to bring to their country. I would take their numbers with a grain of salt, requiring corroboration, however the true numbers likeli lie somewhere in the middle of the highest and lowest casualty counts emminated by intelligence.
You’re starting with a conclusion and working backwards.
And following the steps each way to illuminate important insight in an oddly Putin supporting community.
Lol
I mean he kills, or attempts to kill off opposition, think Alexi Navalny, in an effort to remain in power. Not exactly free and fair elections, but I do hope change is coming! I believe the Russian people deserve a democratic process.
Thank you for reiterating and assisting getting this important message across. 315,000 casualties is no joke. This needless loss is directly attributable to Russian aggression.
Least bad faith fascist.
Care to elaborate? I’d like to hear your thoughts!
You’re lying about that
That doesn’t exactly elaborate on your claim, so let me know if you’d like to provide more input.
This is dangerous Russian propaganda because according to the Ukrainian ministry of defense they actually lost over 100%
They also destroyed over 100% of tanks and artillery, the videos of Russian tanks advancing is actually Kremlin dezinformatsiya AI generated fakes
Thank you for recognizing dangerous Russian propaganda and the fact that Ukaine does not have full access to their soverign land to make fully accurate assessments. If the aggressor wee to leave occupied territory, then I believe these numbers would come down a bit, however it’s clear Russia has lost considerably fighting this “special operation” in another countries soverign territory.
do you have any self-respect
Russia clearly won, but even if your interjection is plausible. Not if we (Arabs) succeed in dragging the US into another losing war in the Middle East. They are already abandoning Ukraine for Israel. Just imagine if we managed to get troops in Yemen. The US is exercising restraint with Yemen for a reason, already spread too thin and just came out of two losing wars, and we will keep triggering it until it bites.
Not really, the US has been pumping the breaks on Israeli aid because of the indiscriminate bombings in Gaza. The US believes the civilians in Gaza have a right to their territory as a 2 state solution is desired.
PENTAGON TAPS “TIGER TEAM” TO RUSH WEAPONS TO ISRAEL
literally yesterday. I know you’re trying to still believe the US Government/Biden has any morality here but they don’t. Stop listening to the lies of politicians, you are being misled and now you’re spreading disinformation in service of ethnic cleansing and imperialism.
I’ll just leave this here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/blinken-urges-israel-to-comply-with-international-law-and-spare-civilians-in-war-against-hamas
Actions are more important than words. The U.S. is going out of its way to expedite the artillery needed to continue Israel’s indiscriminate bombing of civillians in its ongoing genocidal campaign against Palestinians.
Please I am begging you do not take these organizations at face value- read what the poster above you sent and recognize the distance between the statement “You need to comply with international law more closely” and the action: here is a way for us to get you bombs for you to use more quickly.
If on one hand part of the state apparatus is signaling for “restraint” but the state is accelerating its ability to provide weapons that its calling for restraint in use of the actual stance is clear: what you’re doing is fine by the state.
It’s alright, we can agree to disagree. Biden has criticized the Netanyahu government for their treatment of Palestinians. More should be done to ensure their safety, hence the conditial provisions of arms, but the United States policy stance has clear ambitions for a 2 state solution. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu government are okay with this, however it remains the United States ambition. I truly hope we can see this conflict resolved in my lifetime.
20,000 Palestinians are dead because of Joe Biden. You can’t spin it any other way. The US under Biden is guilty of genocide.
As far as I’m aware, the US has not fired any weapons on Gaza soil. There’s been some defensive strikes to the north in Lebanon, but that’s it. Seems like a stretch to call the United States complicit when it’s goals do not align with the Netantahu government.
This really opened my mind, thank you. It’s wild what westerners will want to believe. I’m assuming that lemmy isn’t big enough for bots yet.
“You stop killing people now, ok?”, I said to the active shooter after handing them an AK-47 and 2000 rounds of munition, as well as hand grenades.
I’m glad I could help to open your mind to change! I appreciate the thoughtful debate, we need more of this in public discourse!
You still haven’t been able to back up your claim that the USA is putting the breaks on it’s aid of Isreal because of the genocide. All you’ve done is point to the US going “we’d like it if you slowed down on the genocide, but we’ll 100 support you if you don’t” and tried to equivocate that as being the same, when it really isn’t.
I said pumping the breaks. There’s still legitimate concern for the removal of Hamas as the acting government of Gaza. Neither Hamas, nor the Netantahu backed Israeli government want a 2 state solution, however this remains the US states policy. Whoever can broker a deal that affirms a 2 state solution here will hopefully produce meaningful change towards this conflict.
Did anyone ever tell you the saying “actions speak louder than words” as a kid? Now apply that to state actors. No matter what words their US uses, no matter their criticism, their actions are very clear.
Yes absolutely. That’s why it’s imperative to understand when Putin said we’re not going to invade Ukraine, while staging troops along the Ukraine border, then choosing to in invade the foreign country after the Olympics concluded. Understanding here highlights the wrongful actions Russia knowingly committed, at the direction of Putin, against a sovereign nation. The international community has decided to push back against these attrocities and the ICC will adjudicate the war crimes committed in the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
The US is bankrolling the genocide and vetoed the ceasefire. Who are you lying to? The US and its interests are a fair and legitimate targets because of its involvement and complicity in the genocide.
Joe Biden Moves to Lift Nearly Every Restriction on Israel’s Access to U.S. Weapons Stockpile https://theintercept.com/2023/11/25/biden-israel-weapons-stockpile-arms-gaza/
Don’t be fooled. Biden is fully signed up to ethnic cleansing in Gaza https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-war-gaza-biden-fully-signed-up-genocide
As a defensive partner it makes sense to continue to provide aid and arms to Israel for defensive purposes, which includes the removal of a condemned terrorist organization as the acting government of the Gaza strip. This does not reduce or remove the US effort to provide aid and humanitarian support to the citizens of Gaza. A 2 state solution remains the policy of the United States, even if this is a foil with both Hamas and the Netantahu government.
You wouldn’t say this if it was Russia bombing Ukrainians. I’m gonna blame this on racism against Arabs. No other reason to describe the murder of 18,000 civilians and the bombing of schools and hospitals as defensive.
Citation needed.
According to Wikipedia the countries that consider it as terrorist are only than 13% of the world’s population. That doesn’t seem like much condemnation when 87% of the world aren’t on board.
Russia has been and is currently bombing Ukrainians on sovereign land. Pretty easy to learn this tidbit of information.
And the Palestinians are bombed where? in the skies? they are being bombed on their own land that was stolen from them, and in the refugee camps they are forced to live in. Internally displaced on their own land.
Was this supposed to draw a response? Can you reiterate your question?
I want you to consider this comment and compare it to your previous comment above. You said that the US is reducing spending on Israel because of Israel’s brutal actions. Then when it was pointed out to you that they in fact were doing the opposite, your response was not to then say “wow, that’s really shitty of them” but instead to try and justify their actions to yourself.
Have you no brain? No heart? No soul? No spine? Is this really the person you want to be? Someone licking the boot of the dickhead politicians in Washington so much that you’ll abandon any and all morals to do so? It’s ok to be mad at your government when they do shitty things, even if they are “your team.”
I will not discuss this further with you if you’re going to use language like that. I appreciate the understanding to promote positive discourse!
Looks like a delicious breakfast! More bacon please 🥓
This community really loves its pork, and I for one am in support! I love pork too!
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You can cast doubt but it still stands it’s official policy.
The USA official policy does not recognise Palestine as a state.
It doesn’t recognize the current government in Gaza, sure, for good reason! However it remains US policy to work towards a 2 state solution.
It does not recognise its statehood at all
Correct, as the current acting government, Hamas, uses terrorism as a tactic to guide policy change. The US will not succomb to these barbaric tactics. The US is in favor of a 2 state solution though civil discussion and mutual agreement, much like I’m trying to encourage here in this community!
Do you really believe that?
Yes, it’s been facted checked by multiple intelligence organizations.
so you don’t actually have evidence for this, you just believe the word of the people that have been lying to you for decades straight
It’s not hard to intake information from many sources. Some sources are easier to disprove based on claims.
Too hard for you though
No, but I won’t lie, information comes in like a firehose in today’s day and age with the advent of the internet. It takes time to parse through!
Yeah, I guess I can see why you don’t bother to try
I’ve been at this discourse for hours, there’s definitely some effort involved. I appreciate you having open ears and listening! It’s important to have open dialogue discussing these matters.
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Probably buried right next to Iraqi WMDs.
Do you really not experience a moments pause writing this?
Mindfulness and meditation is key to a calm mind.
Feigning illiteracy is not as clever as you seem to think.
I’m not sure how this responds to my comment, but you’re welcome to your thoughts, mindfulness is key!
January 1st is a ways away, but I appreciate the countdown to the new year!
Holy fucking shit. Liberalism distilled to an NPC.
I won’t discuss with you further if you’re going to use language like that. None of what I said justifies this response, therefore I’m happy to decline the continuation of this discourse. Have a nice weekend!
Who needs to save face? Ukraine has become the world’s street ***** begging everyone for money wherever it goes.
And they’ll keep receiving said money because the majority of the United Nations believes Russia is the aggressor. Allowing an aggressor to overtake soverign land is a big no-no to the UN.
Which is why Israel was stopped from annexing East Jerusalem and the West Bank right? It also explains why the US was not allowed to invade and occupy Syria.
While this may be a desired goal of Netanyahus government, his support by Israelis is dwindling. Let’s not forget Hamas’s desired goals too. In the future, hopefully a more progressive Israeli government echos the United States policy more closely for a 2 state solution.
The United States does not believe in a two state solution and neither do I, death to Israel
Please refrain from the use of this hateful language. It does not promote thoughtful debate.
did you look at the name of the comm?
unlimited death to israel, nato, america, eu, japan, worst korea, the moon and mosquitos
I’m not sure what a comm is, I’m just commenting on a thread that appears in my “Hot” list. That sounds distasteful and warmongering. I don’t think violence or death threats should ever be supported. Hopefully humanity can learn from this disgusting statement. A defensive pact, which NATO is, does not apply aggression towards sovereign nations.
Death to Isreal and you personally
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Please refrain from the use of this hateful language. Not only does it dimish the acts the Nazis committed during WWII, but it calls for the death of an individual. This is not something to be condoned, and should be readily condemned.
Source?
Lol
All it takes is a short read of UN documents, go ahead and read. I’ll leave this here to guide you: https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/sites/www.un.org.securitycouncil/files/part_i_2022_mps_of_ukraine_0.pdf
Cite the part that supports your claim.
Sure,
“the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) briefed the Council on the allegations of violations of international human rights law and of international humanitarian law in the context of the Russian Federation’s armed attack on Ukraine.”
That doesn’t support your claim at all.
It definitely highlights Russia as the aggressor in this war. Their decisions alone sparked the conflict and their decision to pull out will be their only saving grace. I want better for the Russian people, they deserve better. I visited St. Petersburg and this young lady was going on about the government failing to provide to it’s people. To the point where frozen pipes burst in her living accomodations. That winter she had to rely on burning wood in a barrel to keep warm. If the Russian government cared for it’s people, such a situation wouldn’t have happened.
crazy, then how is ukraine losing their counter-offensive to fucking ghosts
I won’t encourage the use of language in the context of this civil discourse. Ukraine is making gains, but it is a slow process as Russia compromised a dam and has riddled the frontlines with anti personal mines. Both of these actions constitute war crimes. “Placing minefields without marking and recording them for later removal is considered a war crime under Protocol II of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons.” Also: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/6/8/blowing-up-ukraines-nova-kakhovka-dam-is-a-war-crime
The people who estimated this also estimated that putler died four times since the start of the war.
Who is Putler?