Chesebro, who was charged alongside Donald Trump and more than a dozen other codefendants with attempting to delay the transfer of power after the 2020 election, was scheduled to stand trial this week. He accepted the offer as jury selection was underway on Friday, and after rejecting an earlier deal.

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    If you’re trying to keep track of where we’re at in the Trump prosecutions:

    Updated 10/20/2023

    Georgia
    13 state felonies
    Election Interference
    Investigation
    Indictment
    Arrest <- You Are Here
    All 19 defendants have surrendered.
    Trial - No trial date has yet been set.
    Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
    The judge in the case has set a deadline of December 1st for all motions to be filed, expect a trial date at some point after that.
    Conviction
    Sentencing

    Washington, D.C.
    4 federal felonies
    January 6th Election Interference
    Investigation
    Indictment
    Arrest <- You Are Here
    Trial - March 4th, 2024, one day before Super Tuesday primaries.
    Conviction
    Sentencing

    New York
    34 state felonies
    Stormy Daniels Payoff
    Investigation
    Indictment
    Arrest <- You Are Here
    Trial - March 25th, 2024
    Conviction
    Sentencing

    Florida
    40 federal felonies
    Top Secret Documents charges
    Investigation
    Indictment
    Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
    3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
    Arrest <- You Are Here
    Trial - May 20, 2024
    Conviction
    Sentencing

    Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.

    The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it’s a civil case and not a crimimal one. That trial date is currently set for January 15th, the same day as the Iowa caucus. and has now been determined to be for damages only as Trump was already found liable.

    As a function of the January 6th and Georgia trials, there are now lawsuits in two states to bar Trump from the primary ballot based on the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment.

    Colorado: 9/6/2023 - Lawsuit filed.

    Minnesota: 9/12/2023 - Lawsuit filed.

    A long-shot write in candidate for President has also filed suits seeking to bar Trump from the ballot in Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Montana, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

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      As was the plan all along. Charge all of the mob underlings in hopes that some/all of them flip on their boss and strengthen the case against him. Each flip moves the walls in juuuuust a bit closer on the Orange Orangutan.

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        It really is like a mob trial. Maybe the GOP should change their nickname to MOB (not sure what the letters could stand for though, not clever enough today).

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        When Sidney Powell and this guy were both angling for early trials I figured something was up. When the Kraken flipped the other day I figured it was only a matter of time before this news dropped.

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        We can’t get too excited. We don’t yet know how they’ll testify. These sentences are far too lenient as well. Misdemeanors for Sidney?? A single felony for Chesebro? No jail time for either? ?That’s bullshit for someone committing treason against the US and trying to overturn an election.

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          We don’t yet know how they’ll testify

          These deals are contingent on their testimony. The prosecution knows what their testimony will be, and has reserved the right to withdraw the deal and send them to trial if they fail to provide fully open and honest testimony. In Powell’s case in particular, she’s already provided a statement to prosecutors essentially detailing what she’ll say on the stand.

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          I’ll take them getting lenient sentencing if it means a better chance at taking out the Orange fuck.

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    So it looks very close to the same deal as before – he traded $5,000 reduction in fines for two extra years of probation (5 total) and 100 hours of community service.

    The plea was for conspiracy to commit filing of false documents though instead of racketeering.

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    The flippening continues 😎

    Dumb piece of shit should have taken the first deal. NO FUCKING DOUBT this deal he took was much worse after Sydney and that election worker beat him to it

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    This is a really good sign that the dominoes are falling, they were the first 2 because they wanted a speedy trial.

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      Absolutely, and with each flip the pressure on those remaining intensifies. The deal they’re being offered will likely get shittier now that their testimony is less important, so there’s an incentive to flip immediately or else your leverage dissolves.

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      His MAGoos see all the people he hired turning against him. People of normal intelligence would conclude that Trump is guilty. The MAGoo geniuses know that it’s proof of how powerful the Deep State really is.

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          “Do you think that billionaires should pay their taxes like the rest of us?”

          MAGoos = “Hell, yes!!”

          “Do you think that we should fund the IRS so they can go after the big shots?”

          MAGoos = “You’re a Communist!!!”

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          “deep state” is just an evolution of “fake news”. It’s nonsensical descriptor; it’s merely a term used to describe anyone you disagree with in an attempt to discredit them and their position.

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          It always was.

          “Deep state!” is what an accused murderer cries, after they find out that having their buddy elected governor doesn’t cause the cops and the DA to stop prosecuting murder charges.

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    The sad side effect of this is that we don’t get to see the RICO case go forward next week.

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      If you imagine a mafia RICO case, the mafia boss will order some of his co-defendants to separate their trials so that they can be tried first. This allows the mafia boss and his lawyers to watch the entire prosecution, so that they can prepare for it specifically. They do have all the evidence beforehand, but they don’t know exactly how the case will be presented.

      This is according to some lawyers I follow on YouTube. So, just like you don’t get to see the case, Trump also doesn’t get to see the case. So, I think this is a bigger victory for the prosecution than simply getting Chesebro to plead out.

      By the way, there are still… what… 16 defendants left? The prosecution’s goal in a RICO case is often to keep flipping the defendants until there are only a few high-profile ones left that can be tried all at once in a single courtroom.

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        If it’s anything like lawyer shows I’ve watched, the evidence/disocvery can be substantial, and I imagine is 10s of thousands of documents or more.

        So sure, they have it all, but like you said, they don’t know how it’s going to be presented.

        Something innocent that gets overlooked by the defense could be the start of a trail that becomes the guaranteed win.

        Seems like a big win for the prosecution not having to tip any of their hand.

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          If it’s anything like Matlock, we won’t know the smoking gun that ties the whole case up until just near the end, when Ben has his “ah-ha!” moment.

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            If it’s anything like recent history, Trump will die peacefully just before he goes to jail.

            Which honestly, I’ll take it. Rest in pee

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        That’s definitely true, but I was very much looking forward to the entire RICO case being litigated and televised sooner rather than later, no matter how many or which defendants were being prosecuted.

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      I’m good with it. The thing is that Powell and Chesebro applied for an early trial, which the other 17 are fine waiting and spending time sifting through the evidence, so the state was accommodating both sets of defendants.

      But - all 19 defendants were indicted on the same body of evidence. If the trial next week had gone forward as scheduled, then the second group of defendants would have had a detailed look at the prosecution’s strategy for the trial, and could have planned their defensive strategy to try to make the persecution less effective.

      With the Chesebro and Powell trials cancelled, they don’t get that opportunistic detailed look at the prosecution’s strategy and will have to try to counter it in real time. I’m okay with this.

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        Which honestly is probably why they got an even sweeter deal. At least I really hope that they got a really sweet deal, in that everyone else is going to be hit very hard

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        Yeah, I also see that. But I think the public interest would have been better served by litigating this case in public next week, rather than waiting for some indeterminate period of time.

        I also think that having evidence and arguments presented related to people higher on the chain of responsibility, without their attorneys being able to object to anything, could have served to solidify the case against them when they do go to trial.

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      Why? I was watching the judge saying all of the trials are going to be a mess, but I lost track.

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        Powell & Chesebro asserted speedy trial right, so were going first. The remaining defendants are going next year.

        Note that flipping both gives a large side benefit to the prosecution, as Trump and the others won’t get an early look at the prosecution’s strategy and tactics.

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          I’m assuming this could lead to even more flipping later? Without a plan I’m not seeing a defense for the majority of them.

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            You gotta imagine a stampede on Monday morning.

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              I know I won’t get a video of their heartbreak but I’m thinking AI video creators aren’t too far off so I’m hopeful.

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            I would leaven expectations with the chances of a recalcitrant juror who nullifies.

            As we get to the actual trial, we are going to see totalized efforts by right-wing media to inform every American about jury nullification and convey the notion that any juror who nullifies will be a hero of the right and never have to work another day in their life.

            Worse, those efforts will be dramatically amplified by users on social media; I’d be shocked if any jurors are able to avoid being exposed to the messaging, as their friends, family, coworkers pick it up.

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              I will leaven my expectations but still have hope. Did you see the trial schedule one of the mods put up? He’s not going to have a good spring, regardless. I’m cool with that.

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              So is it at all possible the judge could nullify this possibility? Or because juror selection for Trump’s trial hasn’t commenced they’ll be trying to blanket the entirety of the nation in hopes they can get anyone I guess.

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                It is possible that the jury could be instructed to report on whether any jurors were not deliberating honestly, or refusing to participate.

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                I’m not a lawyer, but have read a bunch about nullification, and it’s an interestingly powerful and simple cheat code in the hands of a juror who otherwise behaves normally during voir dire, the trial, and deliberations.

                Because it’s so powerful, the justice system pretty much hates citizens knowing about it. Aggressive steps are often taken to remove protesters who try to make jurors aware of nullification, to the point of violating free-speech rights imo.

                If a juror goes full John-Grisham-novel-style, and hides their intent to nullify, and they don’t have a findable personal history that clearly conflicts with what they said during voir dire, there isn’t anything the justice system can do to stop that juror from completely ratfucking the government’s case.

                And, there would be extraordinary benefits to doing so. A single juror who nullified the government’s case would become a multimillionaire in short order, and they would be a massive hero to 30% of America.

                It’s disturbing to think about.

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        Only Powell and Chesebro were scheduled for next week. The remainder of defendants all waived their right to a speedy trial, as part of a deal which prevents them from demanding speedy trial at the last moment and forcing the courts to struggle to have multiple separate cases going on at the same time for the same charges.

        Nobody else is scheduled for next week, so far as I am aware.

        Edit: Nobody else is scheduled yet at all, so we now do not know when we’re going to see this case go to trial.

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          Nobody else is scheduled yet at all, so we now do not know when we’re going to see this case go to trial.

          Well, after Powell and Chesebro, they will pick the next potential plea candidate of the list. They are good at the “sing or Sing-Sing” game. When they have enough testimonies to get the rest of the gang behind bars, the deal offers will stop - except someone comes forward with something extra juicy.

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        I think because Powell and Chesebro were the only two that requested a speedy trial. The others cases will still happen, just not until later.

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    His buddies are folding like Superman on laundry day. I wonder what they agreed to testify about when they were negotiating that plea deal?