Having a debate with an Italian guy about who is the bigger club and I think it’s close.
Both have won their domestic league 19 times and Milan have 1 more Champions League.
Milan probably have more well known legends like Van Basten, Kaka, Maldini, Gullit and Pirlo. But in recent years Liverpool have had Gerrard, Suarez, Alonso, VVD and Salah.
The current popularity of the Premier League helps Liverpool but Milan also has a huge fanbase.
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I’m an AC Milan fan and I’d still say Liverpool tbh
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You are very active on the Liverpool reddit page for being a Milan fan lol
Italian clubs are hugely underrated. In this case I’m taking Milan all the way
It’s really a tough question to answer.
I honestly think it’s Liverpool comfortably.
As I said in Milan subreddit and is always my argument: no logical milan fan would swap their history with any club than Real Madrid.
Comfortably? If anything they might edge it by an inch. Except for current popularity liverpool has nothing over Milan.
it’s baffling to me that people are arguing otherwise. the big four is Madrid, Liverpool, Barca, United. it’s nothing against Milan, those clubs are just a different tier
Bayern and Milan are bigger than Liverpool and United
United even? Lmao
Ah shit, why would you ask something so heart wrenching.?!
Milan has a bigger stadium, better known legends, play in an affluent city, and has great history and traditions.
Liverpool is worth billions more , has more fans, and is better on the pitch. They also have the history and traditions.
It’s a tough question to answer.
besides maldini who are milan’s well know (e.g. household name) legends? definitely think liverpool has more
The whole 2005 milan are well known legends
Which is ironic because Liverpool beat them in the final that year.
How old are you? Don’t mean it as a bad thing, but there’s so many legendary names that played for Milan.
What the fuck
The Milano Generation comprised of Marco van Basten, one of the greatest strikers of all time, Ruud Gullit, who could play every position on the pitch except keeper, Frank Rijkaard, one of the two greatest defensive midfielders of all time, Paulo Maldini, the greatest full-back of all time, Franco Baresi, one of the greatest centre-backs of all time, managed by Arrigo Sacchi, the founder of pressing and later manager Fabio Capello, who won the Scudetto unbeaten in his first season succeeding Arrigo, is frequently considered the greatest club team in the 20th century and sometimes the greatest team of all time.
Define the criteria, add a 1-5 value for each then total them up?
Crit:
Legends City History Traditions Value Fans Current form
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How is the prosperity of the city they play in relevant?
I also don’t think prosperity is the right word, but the point remains that Milan is the bigger city of the two
Liverpool has around 500K population, while Milan is almost triple that, and around a 3.5M metropolitan area around it, and with several global brands headquartered there etc etc
You pretty much answered to the question with those points
Better on the pitch is just current…not the most important criteria for overall bigger club I’d think
I’m not sure where the “bigger legends” thing is coming from. Souness, Dalglish, Rush, Barnes, Hansen and Keegan are some of the best players to ever play in England.
Then there’s the semi-recent players like Gerrard, Carragher, Owen, Fowler, Suarez and Alonso who were all great players. Even more recent there’s Mane, Firmino and Coutinho who are some of the best to play in the Premier League. Currently there’s Alisson, Van Dijk and Salah who are all time greats.
I’m sure you could do a similar list for Milan and I’m not saying Liverpool’s legends are definitely “better”, but I don’t think the conversation can just be brushed under the carpet.
Slippy G-Had and Carra never won the league. Only Souness, Rush and Keegan were deemed good enough by true European giants to play for them. Hansen was incredibly overrated. I only ever hear pundits and true legends mention Keegan out of your list. The rest are only club legends, not football legends.
The fact that you say “Slippy G” says it all. Your opinion is irrelevant.
Dalglish isn’t a football legend?
That’s like saying Inesta, Xavi, Messi, Busquets… no European giants deemed them good enough. That Liverpool side was 2x as successful as the peak Barcelona side. Let that set in
Except Barca
Hansen over rated? If you like.
I said in our subreddit but: since berlusconi bought milan, not one Liverpool player will go into a combined 11 of the two teams.
I have some idiots try and say vvd is close to baresi and my brain explodes.
Not sure when that was but even if we say last 20 years or so, off the top of my head Suarez does 100% and probably Alisson. There’s arguments for Van Dijk, Salah and Gerrard.
Yeah but none of those English legends won any kind of NT trophies or the Ballon d’or so they aren’t on the same level as the Milan legends.
Sorry to burst your bubble but no kid nowadays has ever heard of souness, dalgish, rush, barnes, hansen and Keegan.
Barnes is one of the most influential black footballers of all time, if nothing else. Rush is Liverpool’s all time top scorer, Dalglish is a legend outside of football for his Hillsborough work and Souness is Britain’s greatest ever midfielder. If you haven’t heard of them then you need to brush up on your football history, or you’re just ignorant.
Callagher and them lil buddies are cool until we bring out Maldini, Costacurta, Baresi. And that’s just Italian CBs. Milan is clear on this front. At least to me. There are club icons/legends. And then there are all time greats, Milan has had more of those in my opinion.
If we go back to Alan Hansen and all they wont be clear.the thing is they were prominent very back.definetly if we ask about these milan legends in 70 years no one will remember them too.
I don’t really think its fair to say Milan more famous players at all.
I think Liverpool’s more famous and has more fans. A lot of that’s because the Prem is much bigger world wide than Serie A. For example, Liverpool’s got 3x more followers on Instagram.
The world’s biggest generation by population is baby boomers, most of whom don’t have social media. Not really a good metric.
Especially when considering Liverpool and other English clubs were banned from European competition during the late 80s/early 90s, a time when ‘celebrity’ started to go global and when Milan had their absolute peak
Half of the planet is on Facebook every month, I don’t think baby boomers are the ones they’re missing
Literally everything is orders of magnitude more widely known if it’s English or just in English
The bigger question is why anyone thinks this is important?
I’m not a Liverpool fan or anything but I’d put them alongside Real Madrid, Man U and Barca as the most popular team in the world from a legacy standpoint. Milan for sure up there but not to the same level
Legacy standpoint? What exactly does liverpool have over milan in terms of legacy? Milan has more trophies, better players, more ballon d’or winners and also the best team of all time (except for 2008 barca)
Milan has more trophies
By my count they have 1 more Champions League, same amount of league titles and fewer major domestic cups, so little between them in that sense.
more ballon d’or winners
Fairs. However I doubt most people see this as a defining factor in determining the prestige of a club. Certainly less than trophies or famous brands of football.
best team of all time
Both the late 80s/early 90s Milan side and the early 2000s side are contenders. But in case you’re referring to the early 2000s, apart from Milan Italian football during that 2004-2008 period was the shits. Match fixing (Juve relegation), uninspired tactics (except for Ancelotti). Since the start of the premier League I’d argue English football as a product has been at the forefront of innovation and competition, which is why I’d say Liverpool. It’s close for sure but they edge it for me
I have a lot of respect for Liverpool and it’s glittering past, but this is not even close. Real Madrid, AC Milan and Barcelona are a tier above all others.
You can make at least 3 starting 11s of past AC Milan players and no Liverpool legend will be able to replace a single player on those teams
It’s pretty comfortably Liverpool
There’s an argument that in this century, Milan aren’t even the more dominant club in their own city, let alone country or beyond.
Very similar
Liverpool is a much bigger name worldwide. The premier league is much more difficult to win than the Italian league. Anyone know the fan base numbers ?
Now it is more difficult, but when milan were one of the best teams in the world serie a was more difficult than any league has ever been.
Milan is. Also calling VVD a club legend already its pretty funny tbh, also Suarez…like he barely played there and won like nothing…like they werent even in the top 3 in the PL standings. Sure he had goals but hes a Barca legend not a Liverpool one imo.