I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016. I didn’t vote.

In 2020 I voted for Trump because knew Biden would be bad. He has done better than I expected but the inflation is killing me and the focus on the wrong thing isn’t helping.

Early on I was a De Santis fan but my interest has waned as he has taken hard stances on things that need compromise.

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    allows them to advise the states. That isn’t authority over a pandemic. That isn’t even close.

    You’re either not willing or not able to read the law. Here’s a little primer to assist your comprehension:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7152008/

    The federal government doesn’t issue medical licenses.

    The Federal government issues medical licenses to doctors in the District of Columbia because the District of Columbia is under Federal jurisdiction.

    Mers died out in its own.

    MERS died out because of rapid, responsive public health action. It wasn’t “on its own”; public health successfully prevented a MERS pandemic.

    I think you are trying to give the federal government authority they don’t have. They just don’t.

    They just do, though.

    COVID to me wasn’t the test case for it.

    Yes, it wasn’t any sort of “test case” except a test for the competence of Donald Trump to respond to a public health crisis, and the result of that test was millions of Americans dead and the loss of the most jobs since the Great Depression. He failed, due to his incompetence. Now you’re arguing an unrelated point about what the appropriate scope of Federal power is, but that’s an unrelated topic; Trump already had these powers, he just was incompetent as using them, as he’s always been incompetent at using power. That’s why he loses so often.

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      You’re either not willing or not able to read the law

      I am familiar with the law. Nothing in the law gives the Feds to force measures on the states. That’s why Biden tried to use osha laws. Maybe we are talking past each other. Do you think the cdc has authority to force masks on the population of a state?

      The Federal government issues medical licenses to doctors in the District of Columbia because the District of Columbia is under Federal jurisdiction.

      It’s under its own jurisdiction. It’s not a state. I’ve never seen a federal medical license and my girlfriend handled medical licenses for a state. She said she’s never seen a federal medical license. They’re all state issued. That’s how we met is she processed my medical license when I switched states. Though we didn’t date to many years later.

      Trump already had these powers

      He did not. Biden publicly acknowledged he didn’t have those rights either. An expert In the field would know only the states have those rights.

      426 is about ports of entry.

      https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html

      measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states

      States have police power functions to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons within their borders. To control the spread of disease within their borders, states have laws to enforce the use of isolation and quarantine.

      States have the power within their borders. It’s exactly why Biden didn’t do anything. It’s why he tried to use osha instead which was an obvious no no.

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        I am familiar with the law.

        You’d never even heard of it before I cited it.

        She said she’s never seen a federal medical license.

        “You wouldn’t know her, though; she goes to a different high school. Uh, in Canada.”

        He did not. Biden publicly acknowledged he didn’t have those rights either.

        What “rights”? I’m talking about the rights used under the Obama administration to address the challenge of three different incipient pandemics. Trump didn’t lose those rights in the interim; he had them and just didn’t competently use them.

        426 is about ports of entry.

        I didn’t reference 426.

        To control the spread of disease within their borders, states have laws to enforce the use of isolation and quarantine.

        COVID-19 didn’t originate within the borders of any US state. It originated in Wuhan, China, and was allowed to spread into the United States by Trump’s incompetence at using powers you now admit he had.

        It’s exactly why Biden didn’t do anything.

        But Biden did do things. Did monkeypox become a national pandemic? Did pediatric RSV?

        No, right? “New pandemic just dropped” is kind of a social media joke, but the thing is, they keep not being pandemics. You think Trump just got unlucky with COVID-19, but it wasn’t particularly infectious - R0 of around 1.5, barely replacement level, whereas the R0 of SARS-1 was double that. Trump was just particularly incompetent and fumbled the prevention of an entirely preventable pandemic. He failed a test that Biden’s already passed, twice over, in his current administration and passed three times in Obama’s. Trump is just an incompetent loser; he always has been.

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            That doesn’t seem to be a reply to anything I’ve said.

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              It once again repeating states have the authority which you claim they don’t. It’s the exact claim you’ve been arguing that the president can force mask mandates on everyone and even Biden says that’s not true. It’s the authority of the states.

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                It once again repeating states have the authority which you claim they don’t.

                I’ve never made such a claim. I’ve claimed that Trump’s response to COVID-19 was typical of his manifest incompetence in most aspects of his presidency, a claim you’ve not been able to refute.

                It’s the exact claim you’ve been arguing that the president can force mask mandates on everyone

                I’ve not argued any such claim at all.

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                  Trump did as he was advised by faucci and his authority under the law. Anything you think he didn’t do was because it wasn’t his authority. Faucci made a shit shit of everything. He’s not very good. I strongly dislike the man. He’s an idiot. I haven’t checked to see who the new person is but I’m sure it’s an upgrade.

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                    Trump did as he was advised by faucci and his authority under the law.

                    Oh, ok. So now you accept that his response was incompetent; it’s just not his fault, because the buck didn’t actually stop here in his Presidency.

                    Hey, I mean, you worked for the Army - is it not your experience that a refusal to take responsibility goes hand in hand with rank incompetence? I’d be surprised if you disagreed. That’s certainly my experience in the Federal government. Good, effective leaders take responsibility. Rarely - never - are effective, competent leaders also the ones who blame underlings - even if it’s actually their fault.

                    I have to say, this view of leadership and responsibility is perhaps the most conservative view I hold. Don’t you share it? I’d be shocked.

                    He’s not very good.

                    Sure. Past his prime and an expert in the wrong kinds of diseases. A President who wasn’t an incompetent loser wouldn’t have sidelined Nancy Messonnier, who actually was very good and an expert on respiratory infections particularly. Trump did that because he’s bad at administrating and managing people and can’t recognize talent, only flattery. Incompetent.

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              The largest issue with Covid was most people didn’t show symptoms. It also had a long incubation time. Before we even knew it was here, it was already here.

              I’ll pretend you are an expert for a minute. Since Covid was showing up in Sewage in spain months before we had the outbreak, I do have to ponder how this all really broke down.

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                It also had a long incubation time. Before we even knew it was here, it was already here.

                We didn’t “know it was here” because Trump prevented all surveillance activity. Remember it spread in China for three months before the first US cases. We had plenty of time; Trump was just too incompetent. The first community transmission in the US was actually identified almost immediately after it happened.

                Wuhan-1’s presymptomatic infectious period is less than four days, actually less than lots of other illnesses.

                Since Covid was showing up in Sewage in spain months before we had the outbreak

                It didn’t “show up in sewage in Spain” before the Wuhan outbreak. Sewershed analysis in Spain didn’t start until years later, so that claim isn’t possible to make.

                I do have to ponder how this all really broke down.

                I’m telling you - the incompetence of the US public health response, due to Trump’s mismanagement of Federal public health.

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                  That isn’t correct. We have cases from October that have been identified. If China hadn’t lied, we have had a beer chance to detect it… It was out before we could have done anything.

                  Here is the cite for it being in Spain in march., 2019. Nine months before the outbreaks. Surprised you hadn’t heard this before because experts have been talking about this for a long time.

                  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idINKBN23X2HQ/

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                    We have cases from October that have been identified.

                    No, we don’t. There were no COVID-19 cases identified in Spain prior to March 2020.

                    Here is the cite for it being in Spain in march., 2019.

                    This is a trace of a coronavirus found in a Spanish sewershed sample in 2020, but no one’s disputing that coronaviruses were not in circulation in Spain in March 2019 or at any other time. But it’s not COVID-19 or from any infected individual.