The 57-year-old woman denied having any firearms before entering the MRI, according to an adverse event report filed to the FDA.
  • LanternEverywhere@kbin.social
    1872·
    11 months ago

    Why would you try to sneak a gun into any medical test area? Even if you didn’t know an mri will fuck with a gun, what is the motivation to try to sneak a gun into a medical test room?

      • SendMePhotos@lemmy.worldEnglish
        66·
        11 months ago

        Holy shit I had a conversation the other day with a dude who said, “democrats just want to touch children and change their genitalia”

        He went off about how democrats want to change pedophile name and be more accepting. I told him people don’t say that. Only pedophiles do. He went off about how democrats are pedophiles.

        He went off about how schools, doctors, and liberal agenda is allowing the mutilation of children’s genitalia.

        Taking something he says is fact and blowing into the massive majority of all Democrat fundamentals.

        • 50gp@kbin.social
          501·
          11 months ago

          ask him what he thinks of circumcion without consent at young age and I bet he will defend that without hesitation

        • ∟⊔⊤∦∣≶@lemmy.nzEnglish
          361·
          11 months ago

          In that situation, the best thing to do is agree with them and then start telling them about how voting is a way for the goverment to track you and/or … plant … fucking alien brocolli seeds in your brain or something, so never ever vote

        • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
          7·
          11 months ago

          Tell him there are more convicted Christian & Republican paedophiles than Democrats.

        • SlikPikker@lemmy.caEnglish
          5·
          11 months ago

          BTW, the justification for using different names for pedophiles - like minor attracted person - isn’t to normalize child abuse.

          Rather its to get people to seek and accepted help.

          The real goal for us should be protecting kids. Not punishing people with dirty thoughts.

          • SendMePhotos@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            11 months ago

            I think that’s a good cause, but isn’t the definition of a pedophile meaning one who likes young aged people? Minor attracted person is the same thing with extra steps. Same stigma, same thoughts, same people.

            Get the help but unfortunately it may be one of the things that shouldn’t be vocalized in a normal setting as most people are too narrow minded to help.

            • SlikPikker@lemmy.caEnglish
              3·
              11 months ago

              Removing stigma helps us talk about the issue. That’s why MAP phrasing is promoted by those more concerned with child protection than virtue signalling.

        • MonkeMischief@lemmy.todayEnglish
          4·
          11 months ago

          These kinds of conversations are why I quit my last job. I couldn’t take it anymore.

          I’d get whole tirades like that and just be like…

          “Ok…uh…sure…so…welcome to the library, did you want to print something or…?”

        • Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          Some times it’s difficult to tell if a person like that is serious or just seriously trolling you. However, I have met people who say some of the wildest things about wikipedia, vaccines, police, governments etc. and they seemed very serious to me.

          • funkless_eck@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            6·
            11 months ago

            it’s literally doublethink (literally 1984!!!) as it’s both. They seriously adopt a facetious position to troll and believe it wholeheartedly should be policy and law.

            Yes, it doesn’t make any sense. That’s deliberate too.

    • ZeroCool@feddit.chOPEnglish
      767·
      11 months ago

      Cowardice. People that think they need a gun on them at all times are paranoid cowards… Which also makes them the last people who should be able to own a gun.

      • Sanyanov@lemmy.worldEnglish
        248·
        11 months ago

        People shouldn’t have guns. Simple as that.

        Who the hell decided allowing every civilian a fully functional firearm is a good idea

        • Serinus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          714·
          11 months ago

          People who were aware of Protestants being murdered by the King of England. People who were aware of the Salem Witch Trials. People who have seen over and over again the natural tendency of power to collect in fewer and fewer hands until there’s a revolution and a bunch of bloodshed.

          People who understood that power is best kept distributed. People who understood that small groups of citizens needed to have some real kind of threat against tyrannical government actors.

          That doesn’t mean you need to allow every psychopath have a gun, especially the ones who talk about murdering their peers or are known to torture and kill animals.

          I believe well regulated militias are still relevant to this day.

      • PsychedSy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        57·
        11 months ago

        This is such a weird take, but I hear it a lot. Many of the people I work with carry and very few of them are like that.

        I think there are cultural differences, though. City people are more likely to be that way, but for the more rural or country guys it’s the same as me carrying a knife all the time. It’s just something that’s done.

        • ObsidianBlk@lemmy.worldEnglish
          71·
          11 months ago

          Not so weird… A Knife I can understand. There are a number of uses for a knife beyond being an offensive or defensive weapon. I’m not a knife person, personally, but even I have a few to cut food, or open sealed boxes. I’ve seen knives used to cut bindings and they can even be used to craft art (whittling being an art form where the knife is the primary tool of choice)!

          A gun? Outside of a legit, active warzone? A gun either says you’re hunting, or your scared. That’s it! I have all the respect for a hunter going into the forests to hunt game animals. I do love myself a burger and a steak… but in a public setting? What’re you hunting? What utility is a gun in a public Walmart?

          • PsychedSy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            3·
            11 months ago

            I understand it seems that way to you, but it doesn’t to them. It’s just kind of normal.

            A coworker had a deer run in front of his truck Monday morning and it didn’t die from the impact, so he shot it.

          • 🦄🦄🦄@feddit.deEnglish
            22·
            11 months ago

            Because they might be part of LGBTQIA+ and have a very real threat against them for example.

            Arguing against guns is a very priviliged stance. Of course you don’t feel like you need guns if you are not part of a minority group.

    • Zak@lemmy.worldEnglish
      364·
      11 months ago

      Routinely carrying a concealed handgun can create considerable difficulties when a person unexpectedly ends up somewhere they can’t do so. Leaving it in a car is a significant risk for theft (and stolen guns get used for bad things). Leaving it with medical staff isn’t great. Leaving it unattended outside an exam room presents obvious dangers to anyone who might happen upon it.

      It’s hard to find yourself in an MRI room without adequate warning that anything magnetic will become a projectile though. I think most places give the patient both written and verbal warnings, and the article here says this patient was warned about metal and specifically about guns.

      • xantoxis@lemmy.worldEnglish
        741·
        11 months ago

        They literally give you a locker when you go in for an MRI because you have to spend so long naked. This was never a problem for her. She’s just stupid.

        • Zak@lemmy.worldEnglish
          192·
          11 months ago

          Facilities vary. I didnt have secure storage when I got an MRI, but I didnt bring a gun or anything else unreasonable to leave unattended.

          The question wasn’t whether she’s stupid (clearly she is), but why someone would bring a gun into a medical exam.

          • AA5B@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            Interesting, I don’t remember a locker either, but it was just my phone and keys, because I’m not an idiot

        • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
          9·
          11 months ago

          Own the libs

          Personally I’m always very offended when someone wounds themselves in a profoundly stupid and preventable manner. I truly hope they don’t do it again, that would be terrible. 😉

    • DarkThoughts@kbin.social
      19·
      11 months ago

      Is this different in the states? In Germany every time I had to enter one of those I had to put away every single metallic item on me, including piercings and shit. They warn you very thoroughly that you cannot bring metal objects with you because of the high magnetic forces of the machine.

      • PersnickityPenguinEnglish
        210·
        11 months ago

        They don’t do that in the States. Well, at least half of them.

        • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
          14·
          11 months ago

          That’s just not true. They absolutely do tell you not to take anything metal with you. So this woman clearly ignored those warnings.

          You can’t tell me that in the land of lawsuits doctors wouldn’t tell you not to take metal objects into an MRI

          • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
            51·
            11 months ago

            “Ah don’t have no metal! Ah jurst got mah phone, mah coins, mah keys and mah gurn!”

        • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          81·
          11 months ago

          This statement is categorically false. I have had quite a few MRIs over several decades (knee bullshit), and every single time I have gone in, the staff is crystal clear about the fact that you do not bring in anything metallic, full stop, no exceptions, because it can potentially kill you if it gets pulled forcefully in the wrong direction.

          Anyone working at an MRI facility who ignores the rules around magnetic objects is going to definitely destroy equipment and perhaps maim or kill people, and is thus a lawsuit waiting to happen.

        • AA5B@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          11 months ago

          Ive only done it once, but I also thought they could have stressed this way more, and probably ought to be graphic about the results, to catch these dumb fucks. However, they also waved a metal detector over me. Shouldn’t that catch things like guns? Is this common practice, or do I just look like an idiot?

    • skuzz@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      155·
      11 months ago

      You can’t. My guess is, it was a party or off the clock silliness.

      You can’t even wear your own clothes in those machines. Hospital gowns couldn’t handle the weight of even the smallest handgun.

      The details are purposely scant because it had to be reported but they didn’t want to share what really happened.

      • HeartyBeast@kbin.social
        6·
        11 months ago

        Had an MRI a couple of weeks ago. Wore my own clothes. Tech did say I should lower my trousers to my knees when I pointed out that there was a fly zip, but didn’t seem too bothered.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        41·
        11 months ago

        I had a head MRI a few weeks ago. They didn’t make me take off my clothes, they just triple checked I had nothing metal on me or inside me by asking me several times.

        There don’t need to be additional details. She snuck a gun into the MRI room and found out why you shouldn’t do that.

  • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.worldEnglish
    841·
    11 months ago

    I can see the thinking that lead to this. But in my mind, it boils down to one bad decision after other, concealing the firearm because each step forward carries worse consequences. It’s basically the clown-makeup meme:

    1. Carry gun around because that’s what I always do.
    2. Walk into hospital - whoops, I’ll just keep it concealed so I don’t get in trouble. Can’t hand it over to someone either, or leave it in my car; that’s a felony.
    3. Check in for appointment - can’t back out now, it took forever to get this appointment and there’s a penalty for a no-show.
    4. Change clothes for MRI - can’t leave my gun lying around, that’s also a no-no and someone could get hurt. I’ll just tuck it… somewhere.
    5. Walk into MRI exam room - had to say “no” about metal on my person. These medical people are overly careful anyways.
    6. Actively getting an MRI - what’s the worst that could happen?

    Do we need airport-style backscatter x-rays prior to MRI procedures now? In hindsight, it seems like cheap insurance.

    • Aniki 🌱🌿English
      92·
      11 months ago

      The machine costs as much as she’ll make in 10 years.

  • SlopppyEngineer@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    69·
    11 months ago

    A bit of trivia: it used to be called NMRI, nuclear magnetic resonance imaging. They dropped the N after it became clear people didn’t want to go in the machine because they were afraid of radiation. That’s why it’s called MRI now.

    • dfense@lemmy.worldEnglish
      25·
      11 months ago

      In Chemistry (where it originated) it is still called NMR. There is no image produced, but a spectrum (graph).

      • Lemminary@lemmy.worldEnglish
        111·
        11 months ago

        If chemists were worried about nuclear magnetic resonance because of potential radiation, I’d be more worried about those chemists!

        • Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          2·
          11 months ago

          Chemists and microbiologists are worried about obscure little things you and I haven’t even heads of. But, oh boy are those things nasty. You know, nightmare stuff like acid that slips through your skin and eats your bones or breathing a single spore that is enough to kill you. Such delightful people to have lunch with.

      • MuchPineapples@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        11 months ago

        Fun fact, bringing nmr stuff across borders is very difficult once border security realises N stands for nuclear.

        • EatATacoEnglish
          11·
          11 months ago

          Funny tangential story here.

          I used to design electronics. One product is a black box with just a couple of LED lights on the front and an LED display. It also gets inserted into a special socket, from which it gets it’s power. So no power cord and it can only be powered on if we have the much larger thing it gets plugged into. Of course, I needed to power it on to demonstrate it to customers, so I took apart one of the sockets that it goes into, and ran a power cord off of it so I could plug it into the wall (it runs off of ~120 VAC).

          I figured to make my life easier, so I didn’t have to constantly plug and unplug it, I would put a switch on it. So I just glued a red switch on the side and wired it all up.

          Then I went through airport security with it. Ended up being pulled aside for about an hour as they questioned me about it and scanned the thing damn near 20 times. It was like every TSA agent in the area was watching the scans as it went through. I was talking to the head TSA guy who said “Man, I know you’re fine. However, this is precisely one of the things we are told to look out for: homemade devices with switches on them. Did you have to make it red?” lol

          He eventually got some higher up on the phone and it was clear from the one-side of the conversation I heard that the higher up was like “if you think the guy is fine, let him through” and so I was let through. Barely made my flight tho. Glad we got there really early.

          • MonkeMischief@lemmy.todayEnglish
            3·
            11 months ago

            Wow what a story. That would be NERVE WRACKING.

            I’m glad to hear stories about those kinds of law enforcement folks though.

            “Look I’m just trying to make sure everybody’s safe, I don’t think I’m Jack Bauer here.”

            Rather than the comical assumption usually perpetrated by Hollywood that you’d be thrown down and have a K9 chewing on your leg and half the airport aiming at you with alarms going off Lol.

            • EatATacoEnglish
              2·
              11 months ago

              Mainly I was nervous that I might miss my flight. The only moment I got a little scared was when the lady first pulled it out, said something like “What is this?” and I went to reach for it to show her. . .and she was like “You can’t touch that!” It was at that point I realized I was going to be delayed getting through security. But for the most part everyone was very nice and unconcerned. It was even comical at times, like when they kept running it through the machine, each time bringing someone else over to look as well.

              I was much more nervous when, doing the same type of sales, I got pulled away into customs in Canada, separated from my co-worker, him carrying all of the information, with no cell phone because my phone didn’t work up there. At least that time we were smart enough to send the equipment ahead of us. lol

    • oce 🐆@jlai.luEnglish
      17·
      11 months ago

      Ah, the same kind of people who are worried about phone radiation while spending days roasting on the beach every summer.

  • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
    631·
    11 months ago

    As she was about to enter the machine, the gun was attracted to the powerful magnet inside it and fired off a single round into and through her right buttock. Luckily, the bullet barely penetrated her skin and the doctor on site described her entry and exit wounds as “very small and superficial.”

    There is no way the MRI wasn’t damaged. Other hospital go’ers will be footing that bill. She should be garneshed wages for the rest of her life until those repairs are paid.

    “Lucky” would be the bullet being lodged in her body, doing no further damage except to her idiot self so she would learn her lesson without impacting others.

    • SPRUNT@lemmy.worldEnglish
      18·
      11 months ago

      This person took a loaded gun into a hospital, and then into the giant magnet room. Not sure they’re capable of learning any kind of lesson.

    • Dozzi92@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      11 months ago

      Your comment started quite the debate here. Everyone needs to slow down and realize there’s insurance on the machine and the insurance even covers morons with guns. Might the insurance company go after her? Sure, they’d probably sue her homeowner’s insurance, because when in doubt that seems to be what happens. They’d never go after the individual for this, unless it was maybe intentional.

      Hospital goers will foot the bill regardless, because that’s what we do here in the good old US of A.

      • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        The end of your comment is where I was focusing before. Insurance is a for-profit business. Rates most certainly go up for the hospital, which gets transferred to other patients. Reference: worked with hospitals, medical devices, and insurance.

    • doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      51·
      11 months ago

      If the bullet exited through the opening in the machine then it may not have struck it at all. Typically a waist holstered gun will have it’s barrel pointing down, in the general direction of the carrier’s feet, which happens to be towards the opening of the MRI. I think it’s entirely plausible the machine wasn’t damaged.

      Of course that means the bullet would have gone sailing into the opposite wall, which is extremely dangerous. Depending on the wall and caliber it easily could have penetrated the wall and injured/killed someone on the other side.

      • cottonmon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        11 months ago

        They’d probably still need to turn the machine off because of the incident. That will already cost a lot of money.

    • Enma Ai@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2022·
      11 months ago

      Having her money taken for the rest of her life is not a good response. Ofcourse she’s a fucking dumbass, but having her life destroyed because of that one moment is not adequate.

      The problem of healthcare in the USA is way more severe than a destroyed MRI machine.

      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
        273·
        11 months ago

        “Garnished” means to take an amount small enough not to diminish her means of survival. She just wouldn’t have her luxuries.

        Even in single payer systems, dumbasses should be fined for damages.

        • HotChickenFeet@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          10·
          11 months ago

          FWIW, in the US, seems like you’re ‘guaranteed’ that you’ll keep 30 hours worth of minimum wage per week. the minimum wage is abysmal, so ~870 a month, which isn’t really enough to survive on in many places. I suspect it would be terribly difficult to pay rent, gas/electric, buy food, pay for public transport and/or gas.

          I think this person was dumb. I think they fucked up badly. I think garnishment could make sense if the terms were more reasonable. But I think the current terms could absolutely be detrimental to ones survival.

          Title III also protects individuals by limiting the amount of earnings that may be garnished in any workweek or pay period to the lesser of 25 percent of disposable earnings or the amount by which disposable earnings are greater than 30 times the Federal minimum hourly wage prescribed by Section 6(a) (1) of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. This limit applies regardless of how many garnishment orders an employer receives. The Federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. Source

      • SkepticalButOpenMinded@lemmy.caEnglish
        4·
        11 months ago

        I agree with you. I feel like there is too often a “throw the book at them!” reaction to every wrong or mistake, maybe especially in the US. Which explains the hyper punitive justice system and the highest prison population in the world.

      • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
        214·
        11 months ago

        Where in the article does it say her life is destroyed?

          • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
            215·
            11 months ago

            Well since this is a thread about the article, one would assume you’d be on-topic.

            Also you have 0 evidence that her life is destroyed. An MRI isn’t very expensive if you’re insured, and she’s almost certainly insured, because she, ya know, got a fucking MRI.

            So what exactly was the point there?

              • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
                19·
                11 months ago

                I read the chain, and it’s 2 comments long, and that one person randomly brought up healthcare systems as a total non-sequitor.

                The original comment is about her damaging the machine. It stands to reason this person thought she was on the hook for the damages, which is never discussed in the article, nor is damage confirmed.

                • EatATacoEnglish
                  4·
                  11 months ago

                  She should be garneshed

                  “Should” being the operative word here. The top level comment using should “in auxiliary function to express obligation, propriety, or expediency.”

                  The next poster says that this is “not a good response” because it would destroy her life.

                  They are disagreeing over what should happen, not what is happening.

            • MojoMcJojo@lemmy.worldEnglish
              2·
              11 months ago

              MRI machines cost between $150,000 to $3,000,000. To me, specifically, that’s prohibitively expensive. I assume given the circumstances she’s in a significant amount of trouble, with a lethal weapon being grossly mishandled to the point of putting others lives at risk. But, to your credit, that assumption was not clearly attributed in the original post. I think the important thing here is not the disagreements we have in the comments, but the up votes we get along the way.

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
    37·
    11 months ago

    With the cost and risks of MRI machines, why aren’t there metal detectors at the entrance?

    • MonkeMischief@lemmy.todayEnglish
      8·
      11 months ago

      Eek wait until they reverse this. “If you can survive the MRI machine, you can get on the plane.” Lol

  • marshadow@lemmy.worldEnglish
    33·
    11 months ago

    Weird that they didn’t have her change into a gown first. Or maybe they did, in which case where did she put-- you know what never mind that’s enough internet for today

    • wahming@monyet.ccEnglish
      91·
      11 months ago

      She DID get shot in the butt. It just isn’t mentioned whether it’s an entry or exit wound

      • Sanyanov@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        11 months ago

        Do not read the link on butt plug.

        I now have severe pain in my entire stomach just from reading that.

        Though oxygen tank story is even more terrifying