In a stunning and unprecedented decision, the Colorado Supreme Court removed former President Donald Trump from the state’s 2024 ballot, ruling that he isn’t an eligible presidential candidate because of the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban.”
Is there precedent? I’m not aware of anyone else who’s been banned from elections for insurrection, but this also isn’t my area. I kind of assumed it would follow the ‘innocent until proven guilty in a court of law’ thing, but I also don’t know how much of a hard and fast rule that is for this type of crime.
I am genuinely curious. I kind of assumed he would never actually be charged and the amendment could never be invoked as a result.
Not sure what you mean by historical presidents. Did you mean precedence ? Prior cases we people who actually formed a new country. I’m not aware of anything other cases where there was a riot alone. Can you cite a prior case where they were not in a state that rebelled ?
I suspect because he was never part of a rebellion, has not been charged with it or convicted of it, scotus will reject the courts opinion.
The previous cases didn’t need a conviction because it was considered de facto
I dislike Trump. I met him in person when he was a liberal democrat. He’s not a conservative.
That said, I do not think he tried to overthrow the government and I agree. It’s a dangerous precedent. Let the voters decide.
I think of Trump had left with grace, he’d stomp Biden in the next election. Instead he’s thrown a childish shit fit and that turns a lot of people off.
I won’t vote for Biden but that doesn’t mean I’lol vote for Trump. In 2016 I didn’t vote because both were garbage.
Poll taxes were a scheme democrats uses to stop POCs from voting. They were abolished with the 24th. Amendment. Literacy tests were another way racists democrats suppressed voting that was stopped with the voting rights act of 1965.
I thought states had full autonomy from the feds to run their election.
No. States don’t have full autonomy. They have regulations as well as everyone else. SCOTUS has final say if the law is constitutional.
Not a lawyer but the issue I see he hasn’t been convicted of anything close to rebellion.
The 14th specifies no requirement for conviction. And historical precedent* has been set such that it does not require conviction.
*precedent
Damn auto correct 😁
Autocorrect is the bane of the world. Sometimes it helps. Sometimes it’s a lethal weapon.
Is there precedent? I’m not aware of anyone else who’s been banned from elections for insurrection, but this also isn’t my area. I kind of assumed it would follow the ‘innocent until proven guilty in a court of law’ thing, but I also don’t know how much of a hard and fast rule that is for this type of crime.
I am genuinely curious. I kind of assumed he would never actually be charged and the amendment could never be invoked as a result.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Chart-of-Past-14.3-Disqualifications-rev.-07.10.23.pdf
Not sure what you mean by historical presidents. Did you mean precedence ? Prior cases we people who actually formed a new country. I’m not aware of anything other cases where there was a riot alone. Can you cite a prior case where they were not in a state that rebelled ?
I do not accept your attempt to move the goal posts. Your claim was about whether conviction was necessary. It is not.
It’s not moving the goalpost.
I suspect because he was never part of a rebellion, has not been charged with it or convicted of it, scotus will reject the courts opinion. The previous cases didn’t need a conviction because it was considered de facto
I am not a lawyer either, I guess we’ll see what the Supreme Court says after Jan 4th.
I dislike Trump. I met him in person when he was a liberal democrat. He’s not a conservative. That said, I do not think he tried to overthrow the government and I agree. It’s a dangerous precedent. Let the voters decide. I think of Trump had left with grace, he’d stomp Biden in the next election. Instead he’s thrown a childish shit fit and that turns a lot of people off. I won’t vote for Biden but that doesn’t mean I’lol vote for Trump. In 2016 I didn’t vote because both were garbage.
You might not call him a conservative but he’s the head of the party and the leading nominee right now.
At this point he is the definition of an American conservative whether you like him or not.
He’s the face. Not the leader.
Who is the leader?
Ronna McDaniel is the chair person.
I didn’t have high hopes for your answer but you still managed to disappoint.
Trump has a stranglehold on the party and the movement.
States don’t, mostly because racists Democratic states wouldn’t let POC vote.
I’m sure you must have sources and citations to back up the allegations that you are making.
Poll taxes were a scheme democrats uses to stop POCs from voting. They were abolished with the 24th. Amendment. Literacy tests were another way racists democrats suppressed voting that was stopped with the voting rights act of 1965.
https://constitution.laws.com/24th-amendment
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/voting-rights-act
The 24th amendment?
The one that was ratified in 1964?
You other example was from 1965?
Yes the 24th admendment was ratified in 1964 and the voting rights act in 1965.
Fifty-eight years ago?
Yes I’ll trust you on the math.