Maybe billionaires should get a real job that contributes.
exploited to the fullest
I really feel obligated to point out that most of us are really not exploited ‘to the fullest’. We live in the best time for the common man since man began.
That may be damnation by faint praise, but given that the meme is showing medieval peasants, and the widespread misconception that medieval serfs ‘had it better’ than we did, technology aside…
Maybe billionaires should get a real job that contributes.
I actually disagree. ‘Prisoner’ isn’t a job, yet it’s definitely what they should end up as.
We live in the best time for the common man since man began.
I think you still have a liberal living inside your head - you might want to do something about that.
I’m not inclined to take political criticism seriously from someone who thinks capitalism is more violent than fascism.
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You are not wrong, but capitalism is the most violent power structures to ever exist - even a fascist will reject the idea of infinite consumption in a finite universe.
This quite clearly asserts that capitalism is a separate entity and is more violent than fascism.
Whoops, missed that, lol
That’s certainly a spicy take. Wouldn’t fascism do the same thing in the end, as it innately justifies eternal conquest???
Fascists are a form of capitalist.
No it isn’t - fascism and capitalism is quite complementary to each other, though. After all… the liberal nation state requires both to exist.
If you don’t understand why capitalism is far more violent than even fascism is it simply means you don’t understand either.
See the thing is the benefits we have over peasants are just things that in the end help the billionaire class. Having more money and access to more goods just helps line their pockets more. Meanwhile the things peasants had that we don’t, the main one being the amount of time off from working, would not help the billionaires so they make sure we can’t get it so they can reap the productivity advances of technology to increase their wealth.
See the thing is the benefits we have over peasants are just things that in the end help the billionaire class. Having more money and access to more goods just helps line their pockets more.
Okay. It also helps us not die, and live in relative comfort, and save a great deal of time that would otherwise be spent on menial chores and labor. We take things for granted that past generations would have (and did) literally killed over.
Meanwhile the things peasants had that we don’t, the main one being the amount of time off from working,
This is exactly the misconception I was talking about, thank you for demonstrating.
Gotta love when people think that not having to work for an employer is free time and not “do what is effectively chores you need to survive”.
There are probably people in the developed world now where I could agree they have it worse than the average medieval peasant, but then we’re comparing the worst situation to the average.
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Do I own THING (means of production)?
No. 🖕
Maybe billionaires should get a real job that contributes
As much as I hate the accumulation of wealth by the few, saying billionaires don’t have a real job and do not contribute is hilariously out of touch.
It would have been one thing to say “this technically isn’t true”, but you went with “hilariously out of touch” - which just drips with irony.
this technically isn’t true
That’s what I’m saying though, OP’s statement is so objectively wrong that it detracts value from their cause. Combine that with the fact that billionaires would use the exact same language to describe the working class is hilariously ironic and shows how out of touch OP is.
Out of curiosity, do you actually believe that?
If they do, it’s because THEY are hilariously out of touch with reality and/or don’t grasp how utterly obscene of a dragon’s hoard a billion dollars really is…
I get people here like to circlejerk, but a blanket statement like the one OP made detract so much value from your cause. Statements like that don’t hold anymore value than a billionaire saying regular people shouldn’t be eating avocados and not go to starbucks and that irony is in fact hilarious. The fact you can’t acknowledge that irony means you are in fact out of touch.
Degrees matter. There IS in fact a specific amount of wealth that it’s literally impossible to achieve and retain by merit alone and that dollar number is far below a billion.
You can act like a billionaire is just a more successful millionaire all you want, but it simply isn’t true any more than an emperor being just a more powerful mayor.
Who are you talking to? I can agree with all that and still believe billionaires are actual people who provide actual value. Just like I disagree heavily with any dictator, I can acknowledge they provided value and reason for people to follow them, and I can acknowledge that it’s an actual job. Did I say I agree with billionaires? Did I say I think they should exist and deserve their position? Absolutely not, but you’re just as happy to project all your negative feelings upon me.
Out of touch hilarious irony
Economically speaking, billionaires are absolutely a terrible thing. It removes wealth from circulation and is counter productive to societal growth goals. One of the reasons we’re constantly “printing money” is so that we can ensure there’s enough of it in circulation and used by the masses after the wealthy extract their portion and remove it from general circulation.
Economies work best when money isn’t hoarded or stashed away, but circulating fluidly throughout the economy. Billionaires are counter-thesis to this.
I agree with this completely, I can tell my reply is being heavily misinterpreted.
billionaires are actual people who provide actual value.
Actual people I guess, but by definition a net drain on society via destructive resource hoarding. If I gave you $5 and then hired someone to steal $5000 from you, which action would you focus on?
Out of touch hilarious irony
Coming from the “well technically dictators do good stuff too” guy 🤦
Fight your strawman my dude, you’re doing so great!
You are right, they are magic good boys who do millions of times as much work as everyone else.
Not what I said, but please tell me again how billionaires have contributed nothing and don’t have real jobs? Don’t you realise that is exactly how they talk about
youregular people? Can’t you taste the irony in OP’s words?They might have contribued something (I am not convinced), but their negative impact is order of magnitude worst than what they’ve contributed.
They took resource from the society, and they don’t give back anything near their fair share and try to fuck the system over for their benefit.
There is no ethical billionaire and they will piss on your tomb if that mean they can get a dollar more.
Just look at the disparity between what we call the economy and the ever degrading quality of life of 99% of the population or the planet that is burning.
You are barking up the wrong tree, snap out of it and actually read what I’m saying.
OP’s caption is objectively wrong. Period. Their over-generalisation is hurting their point. Period. Meme still funny and I agree. Period.
So, even if you think that CEOs contribute. If you compare their salaries and other income to their contribution, the latter shrinks to virtually nothing.
Oh for sure, I agree, that’s not what me or OP was talking about though.
People are downvoting you because it’s a blanket statement and generalization. But in reality, there’s a nugget of truth to what you are saying.
In 2023, inheritance of billions overtook entrepreneurship for new billionaire growth.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/30/business/ubs-billionaires-report/index.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2023/11/30/new-billionaires-inherited-more-than-they-earned-last-year-ubs-report-says/?sh=12613b9a3d68 https://www.vox.com/2024/1/22/24043104/billionaire-get-rich-people-parents-generational-wealth-transfer-trust-fund
What we are seeing is that a lot of the billionaire boomers are dying off, and their children are inheriting the wealth and choosing NOT to participate in labour, but to just sit on, and use that wealth to generate more wealth. Mostly by hiring others to manage that wealth.
the next decade is going to be interesting when we see the largest wealth transfer in recent history from retiring/dying boomers to their children. what those children end up doing with all that wealth will be the interesting dynamic we have yet to truly see.
Exactly and I bet they have an overall net negative value contribution to society. I’m just saying if a rich family provides steady jobs to an entire enterprise of people, that to those people they have provided significant value. They probably get to a billion by exploiting other people and companies, providing a net negative to society.
I knew when I commented that people would intentionally misinterpret my reply, but thats politics for ya.
It’s absurd to me this place like lemmons just repeats that being a CEO is easy work that anyone can do or not a real job.
Full on propaganda driven dribble.
You might not like them making money and your countries laws on corporations but you are delusional if you honestly believe being a CEO is easy.
Propaganda fueled delusions.
This is a strawman, the socialist argument isn’t about how hard executives work, it’s about relationships to capital.
If you want to setup a meritocratic cooperative, be my guest. If the democratic body that runs the cooperative decides that being a CEO is 300x more difficult than being a senior software engineer with decades of experience, so be it (nobody in the real world believes this).
The issue is that this isn’t how organizations are run. People aren’t compensated based on how much they work, nor is compensation decided democratically. Seed money comes through for example, and those investors put a tiny fraction of the time and effort that workers put in, but their relationship to capital is fundamentally different. They are part of a different class, they don’t rent themselves out to the owners of capital and have the surplus value of their labor extracted and divided up to shareholders.
The critique is at the very existence of these different classes. People shouldn’t have fundamentally different relationships to capital. Abolitionists of the 19th century fully understood this, abolishing wage slavery (renting people) is an incredibly important thing to do, just like abolishing chattel slavery (buying people) was. These are both intolerable infringements upon human rights to autonomy.
No one in this thread argued that it was easy. I can imagine that it can be quite stressful. However, the notion that we live in a meritocracy, where only the most capable are to become CEOs is a full-on myth.
👌👍 CEO isn’t a real job
Read the rest of the sentence.
Nothing changes. Full on delusions here still. Even in your communist utopia someone needs to run the company.
Yeah… The workers do. (⌐■_■)
👌👍 easy job, most people have the skills.
It’s an attainable skill. Seriously: You think that CEOs are the modern equivalent of god emperors and I am the ideologically blinded?
That’s literally the same thing people claimed that kings are: rulers that the people need because the latter is too dumb for their daily affairs.
I get that working at McDonalds, you are highly disconencted from the management/executive leaderships. But this type of claim is sheer ignorance and shows a complete lack of any business knowledge or skillset.
you can argue that the average CEO is overpaid or that they’re propped up with too much power. But they are definitely doing work and it is a real job.
What a fantastic story you have invented.
So you don’t actually have a clue what you’re talking about and just want to throw fallacious comments and arguments?
What are ytou? 12? did you flunk highschool? I’d love to explain and teach you while you’re wrong, but I don’t have the patience to start at a kindergarten level.
No one is saying that being a CEO is easy. We’re just saying they don’t deserve multi-million dollar salaries and bonuses so large that it could easily give every single worker under them a significant wage increase. No single person does enough to deserve that much compensation when the people under them are struggling to afford housing.
Tbf, I party agree with you. The focus on CEOs is a quite deliberate distraction from the real problem thats crafted to feed nicely into the “white collar workers unduly favour (insert minority group)” trope.
To me, at least CEOs work for at least some of their money, even if we all disagree on the exact percentage.
The shareholders (capital, the actual problem) are more than happy for people to direct thier anger at CEOs. In fact, its part of the CEOs job. All the shitty things the CEO brings in is because the shareholders are demanding more money.
Keep being angry at the green wizard, just don’t think about whats behind the curtain.
