Keep in mind, under the U.S. House’s new bill, criticizing this counts as antisemitism.
Shit is irrelevant. The House leadership is fucking corrupt and stupid.
This. Also that bill is unconstitutional
Until a 5-4 Supreme Court decision decides it’s ok actually.
Actually this being Israel it’ll be a 7-2
It is. But that won’t stop charges, fines, and jail for hundreds or thousands until someone rich enough to take it to the right court gets charged.
Not on its own it won’t. The bill only affects the Department of Education’s definitions for discrimination (Title IX, I think). I don’t think that’s a criminal matter.
But it is one step toward what you say.
Nah, I doubt it will pass the senate and even if it does, hate speech is legal in the United States so if they are equating critiquing Israeli government with kkk and nazi propaganda I’m ok with that I guess.
Legal and constitutional are different things. Hate speech is, in fact, illegal in many places. But the test that would apply for constitutional muster seems to be clear and present danger. Criticizing a government would not likely clear that bar.
The constitution is toilet paper for the ruling class.
They’ll do whatever they want, whenever they want.
So is the massive.surveillance programs taking place for decades now. Oh and all those wars without Congressional approval.
Will you say that again when it passes the senate?
Yes. They are not going to regulate my speech. Live free or die!
Edit: only online forum moderators can do that!
Are you lying for exaggeration purposes or something else?
Edit: how many pissed off downvoters read the bill? How about even a summary of it?
The bill, titled the Antisemitism Awareness Act, would mandate that the Education Department adopt the broad definition of antisemitism used by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, an intergovernmental group, to enforce anti-discrimination laws.
Further down:
The letter pointed in part to an example of antisemitism included in the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition, which says antisemitism could include “denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.”
You seem to think this somehow proves criticizing a mass murder is anti semitic?
It says it right there
Almost all American politicians think this.
I downvoted you because you said it was a lie but didn’t specify what the lie or truth was.
If something like this happens to my kid I sure as hell will radicalize. I wonder if Israel managed to kill more terrorists that they gave birth to, and call me sceptical but I think they did not.
I doubt the Israeli government is going to lose any sleep over murdering more innocent people. It’s disgusting.
They’re fucking monsters. It seems like radicalizing the Palestinians is the point, so they don’t have to talk to them
Radicalized Palestine is “justification” to continue the genocide. Self fulfilling prophecy for Israel.
Lose some sleep ? They probably having a hard-on over it
Netanyahu and the right need more terrorists in order to justify further land grabs, so yes, that’s the goal.
Radicalize more people, so that those people strike back, then engage in war and take their land.
And yes, this is also how the Europeans and Americans took land from the natives during colonization.
Any Zionists/supporters of Israel please feel free to explain how this is in any way acceptable
October 7th or something
Remember that widely-spread narrative that it was a music festival for peace in Gaza? lol
“dO sTuPiD tHiNgS, WiN sTuPiD PriZeS”
Such a warmonger response.
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I’m pretty sure it will be one of:
- There were Hamas on the playground
- There was a Hamas Tunnel under the playground.
There are only ever 3 claims in the hasbara toolkit - it’s Hamas, it’s a Hamas Tunnel, it’s a Hamas Supporter - but they reserve the latter for people who criticise the actions of Israel.
It’s not. Just like it wasn’t intentional either. Implying Israel is deliberately targeting children is an insane thing to claim aswell as is thinking that supporters of Israel would deem it acceptable.
Did you miss the part where it was precision guided and landed a few metres away from 11 CHILDREN?
There are many possible explanations for why that happened of which a near-total disregard of civilian safety is a plausible one but I stand behind what I said; to imply they’re deliberately targeting children is an insane thing to say.
After how many “oopsies” (since this is not deliberate according to you) would it be okay to start calling a spade a spade?
It’s a tiny land area with millions of people in there. You don’t have urban warfare in a place like that without oopsies. This is what war looks like.
Let’s also keep in mind that Hamas is shooting unguided rockets towards Israel and has been for years. They know very well that they’re not going to hit any military targets that way but that’s okay because it’s not their intention either. I just find it curious how the people criticizing Israel for civilian casualties seem to turn a blind eye when Hamas does the same thing.
That in no way justifies what Israel is doing here but rather highlights for why I’m not rooting for either side here.
I just find it curious how the people criticizing Israel for civilian casualties seem to turn a blind eye when Hamas does the same thing.
Probably because Hamas hasn’t killed 30,000 civilians in less than a year. But I dunno, I’m not an expert.
You’re fine with Hamas deliberately targeting civilians because Israel has killed so many more of them? I don’t see how that excuses it in any way. They were lobbing unguided rockets towards the Israeli population for years before this current war started. Killing civilians in unacceptable and they’re both guilty of this. What do you think Hamas would do if they had the military capability of Israel? They’re not killing less Israeli civilians for moral reasons…
No one is rooting for Hamas.
Talking about them shooting unguided rockets, but not about the “iron dome” protecting Israel seems disingenuous to me, especially as a comment to this specific article.
The proportion of the attack is not the same. The technology and money behind Israels “retaliation” are widely different than what was used by Hamas terrorists.
One can condemn Israel for their actions without being on the side of, or justifying what Hamas has done. One does not need to justify condemning the actions of a genocidal government.
I do not think you are arguing in bad faith, but you are getting close to “whataboutism”.
Well it kind of is whataboutism. There are very few things in this conflict that you can criticize one side for doing that the other side isn’t guilty of aswell. That’s why I really struggle to understand people that are picking sides here. From my point of view it’s a complete mess and the more I study it the more confusing it gets.
I wouldn’t be saying it if a precision targeted strike didn’t kill 11 children. Refusing to admit what is right in front of your face is not rational.
The very best explanation is that they accurately targeted a Hamas operative and simply gave zero shits that it also meant killing 11 kids. Even that to me is unacceptable. You know, innocent lives vs expected military gain and all that.
The very best explanation is that they accurately targeted a Hamas operative and simply gave zero shits that it also meant killing 11 kids. Even that to me is unacceptable.
That’s a very plausible explanation and I agree, completely unacceptable.
Yeah I mean it would be a better explanation if we had any evidence that a Hamas operative was killed. If none materializes, then we are forced to believe that Israel did this to kill the kids. Really, by “best” in context I meant “most charitable to Israel.”
In any case, you do not fire a precision guided munition by accident, which means they did deliberately murder the children. They just (maybe) thought it was worth it to kill one “terrorist.”
But yeah you’re right, I’m sure most people who support Israel wouldn’t say this is “acceptable” but they will certainly believe any excuse the IDF offers up with little critical thought and then bleat and moan about Hamas until we inevitably move on to the next atrocity. Remember Hind? Did we ever get an answer about that? Not that I know of.
No I’m sure the rocket hit exactly where it was intended to. I’m just not cynical enough to think murdering 11 children was the goal there. It takes an exceptionally evil individual to be able to do something like that. There’s plenty to criticize Israel for but I think this kind of claim is taking it too far and I think it’s the least likely explanation for this (but not impossible either)
Bruh almost half of the dead are children and supporters of Israel seem to be ok rationalizing that
This question is intentionally baiting people to get banned. You know how this instance is moderated.
Not at all! I’m not even sure what you mean about the moderation.
Honestly I just know there are such people on Lemmy and their explanation for stuff like this is interesting to me. I don’t even want them to be banned in general, I can just downvote and move on.
I got an answer, though. So far “it’s crazy to think Israel would do that on purpose, there are many possible explanations” and yet the facts still stand and no adequate explanation of the facts seems like it could be acceptable
Zionism is a settler-colonialist ideology dedicated to the eviction and genocide of the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine. We don’t allow them or their defenders a platform here, so you’ll have to go to reddit if you want to see people defending their atrocities.
Commenters here clearly didn’t study WW2 enough to understand why Israel has legal and moral right to ethnically cleanse the holy land!
This is utterly disgusting.
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That’s a really bad guess since nato has nothing to do with Israels war against Hamas and Palistinian Civilians.
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Like the pigeon you are, surely.
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Let me guess, buying cake is a crime now too, punishable by death even?
What a bunch of party poopers. Genocidal ones at that.
Where can i find videos from inside gaza showing the strikes or aftermath?
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Likely?
