• absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz
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      4 months ago

      I’m not trolling, I read the article and a few things stood out.

      This guy has two kids, I have 3 at similar ages, he has a family that loved him. The article states he had some mental health issues, but doesn’t go into how severe (I assume low level, otherwise it would have stated it). It says that he was unarmed, you know what American gun culture fucks up to many things for you, this shouldn’t even be a point of note.

      The least interesting thing about a murder victim should be their race. Would it make any difference if he was Chinese, Indian or Samoan? A man was killed, his kids will miss him, is family will morn him.

      As for

      You know exactly why it matters.

      I have an idea why you think it matters, I know why I think it doesn’t. If this was a race based killing, that can be taken into account at sentencing.

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        I have an idea why you think it matters, I know why I think it doesn’t. If this was a race based killing, that can be taken into account at sentencing.

        There’s a pattern of disproportionate use of force against black folks by police in the US. I’m not going to argue with you about that fact. You either know it’s true, or will not be swayed by any evidence I present anyhow. And when police kill someone who may be yet another example of this, it matters and is worth including.

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        I’m not trolling

        Oh, so you’re unpolitically racist. That’s worse, but okay.

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          4 months ago

          I know I shouldn’t engage.

          But how exactly is it racist, to be concerned with the fact that a murder occurred. I don’t find murder a political issue.

          Why do you think murder is political?

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            how exactly is it racist, to be concerned with the fact that a murder occurred.

            Is that actually what you think the disagreement is about? Be honest now, is this really what you think you’re being criticized for? Being concerned about murder?

            You dismissed the relevance that a white security guard killed an unarmed black suspect, in an era where armed white men regularly killed unarmed black men with impunity.

            I don’t find murder a political issue. Why do you think murder is political?

            This is a weird response. I never said anything was “political”, I said that your rigid insistence on colorblindness in the case of a white armed security guard restraining and killing an unarmed black man is inherently racist because you seek to invalidate any claim of racial bias despite plenty of evidence that these situations are heavily influenced by racial bias.

            You’re asking people to look the other way at an event that is being compared to the murder of George Floyd.

            If anything, you seem conspicuously unconcerned about the nature of this murder.

            If you think that Black lives are inherently “political”, I am happy to reiterate my assessment that you are a racist person.

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            You’re so bad at this. Just say it with your full chest, my dude. We all know it already, and I’m sure the people in your real life know it.

            Racists are always the biggest fucking pussies about honestly expressing their own world view and ideology.

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            Why do you think murder is political?

            Why do you think racial injustice is about politics not basic human rights and decency?

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        If this was a race based killing, that can be taken into account at sentencing.

        Oh so you think that racism should be an aggravating factor in sentencing? That sounds like it would be inconsistent with your other statements here. I would expect something like “why is there a lesser punishment for killing a white person you hate than killing a black person you hate?”