Except you know, that one thing

Or that other thing

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      2 months ago

      Is that supposed to catch me out or something? All of our presidents, especially the modern ones, have been assholes bent on ripping the plumbing out to give it to the wealthy, but the republicans, chiefly Reagan and Trump, much more brazenly so.

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        Saying the Trump or Reagan did it playing politics…

        When it is clear that this is policy of the US, no matter the president.

        The rule for the benefit of elites and we pay.

        We lived under both trump and biden and while biden was a kinder daddy at times. It is still the same shit.

        Voting for either side is to support for the status quo

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          This is a trolley problem. The trolley is hurtling towards five people on the tracks, and I can choose to participate and pull the lever, diverting the trolley towards one person on the tracks. I can not participate, and I’m at least privileged enough to know that I won’t be in the first or second or third group the trolley runs over, or I can participate and try to stop the trolley from murdering as many people as it possibly can. I’m personally not willing to choose to sacrifice other people in hopes that the empire collapses the right way, and doesn’t go fucking insane on its way out.

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            By participating in the system, you condem everybody to live under it which is what regime expects. They just need legitimacy, not your approval.

            Empire is not collapsing lol but maybe we can get some social services?

            Although from ruling class perspective that’s is prolly a collapse lol

            This is just my opinion tho

            I do know that we did two party circle jerk forever and things have gotten worse…

            FDR propped it up for three generations and it is about ran out of steam.

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              I understand what you’re saying, but not participating isn’t going to delegitimize the system. It’s already illegitimate. Ask any american if they think the federal government represents them or their needs, and you’ll find that the answer is no. Faith in the government to do the right thing is at an all time low (for good reason) and voters are looking for anti-establishment candidates because they know the establishment doesn’t have their interests in mind. Bernie would have meant reform. After it became clear that the establishment would not tolerate reform, a lot of Bernie voters switched to Trump because if the machine won’t tolerate reform, then they felt that the machine should be destroyed. And we’re seeing how that played out. The machine they’re trying to replace this one with is a much worse version designed to crush anyone who falls outside of the very narrow window of what they define to be culturally normal.

              For my part, I don’t feel comfortable saying that the system should be free to kill anyone who isn’t a white, neurotypical, affluent, christian man so that I can take pride in not participating in the mess we have now.

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                The only choice is voting third party as protest vote IMHO

                Vote for either side is vote to continue this.

                i have zero faith in either side producing a candidate to change anything largely to how DNC handled Bernie and now biden.

                You are assigned candidate based on your party affiliation. WTF lol

                We lived under both biden and trump and it live has become untenable for large swathes of population

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                  Have fun in the camps

                  You can say “oh well, Biden didn’t cure inflation; he only raised wages for most working people to counterbalance it and then some. That’s not nearly good enough for me.”

                  If there are any undocumented people or anything living near you, try not to focus on it if you hear them screaming or anything, if something happens. It’s basically just the same as what Biden did, you can say. Pretty much the same thing.

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                    This is not a serious response … But if are talking. About camps, they will fema camps staffed by obama death panels.

                    Immigrants ain’t going anywhere… Republican owning class needs them in heartland to work slaughter houses. Get real.

                    Also real wages are down and people have less disposable income… WTF is u smoking