A new survey finds Harris substantially ahead of Trump among Latinos, a sign that she may be rebuilding the Democratic coalition—which is essential to defeating him.
Latinos as a whole are conservative. They just aren’t batshit crazy.
The GOP knows this and even started courting them after losing to Obama (I forget if it was after the first or second loss). The GOP “base” wouldn’t have it though, so they quickly went back to anti immigrant status quo.
That’s a bit of a broad generalization. There are specific Latino immigrant communities that are definitely conservative for historical reasons, like Cuban or Venezuelan people who fled left-wing regimes, but Joe Biden got 66% of the overall Latino vote in 2020 so I wouldn’t say that Latinos on the whole are conservative.
I agree to an extent. I think many times, as humans are wont to do, they self-select themselves into different communities. Most of the South Americans I’ve met here are rabidly Mormon and will cluster together, avoiding non-Mormon latino communities.
There’s definitely a generational difference where I live among the Mexicans.
The over 40 ones are mostly conservative and wear pro-gun paraphernalia and have Trump stickers, and also speak little to no English. Which is sad because Trump and his kind would deport them or put them into labor camps without hesitation.
The younger ones, some of whom are recent immigrants themselves, pretty much all lean towards the left. Especially the women. Most of the latinas under 40 I work with would probably punch a man who told them they should be making babies and sandwiches.
I am definitely not Latino but because I speak Spanish (Mexico) and Portuguese (Brazil), I get to participate in conversations and make friends with more of my coworkers.
trump’s latino support increased when you compare the exist polls from 2016 to the exit polls in 2020 mostly thanks to evangelical/mormon/born-again-christian chicanos & tejanos and cuban gusanos.
it wasn’t enough to win the election and biden still enjoyed overwhelming majority support from all latinos combined and; if the course hadn’t changed with kamala’s entry; it might have been enough this time around to let trump win if combined w trump’s narrow leads in all of the battleground states.
i’m glad biden dropped out and that let kamala regain some of this ground.
Plenty of latino people identify as white. Another group have fled to the US from socialist countries like Cuba, and don’t like the left. Yet another have gone through the immigration process properly and resent the idea of others being able to bypass what they had to go through. (obviously there is some heavy overlap in these groups). When you add them all together its not an insubstantial % of latinos.
If Latino countries are anything like Brazil, it’s because it’s mostly the rightwing nut jobs who want to move to the States in the first place (and mostly Florida so they can stay within Brazilian communities and not have to adapt).
Lots of people get very close to leopards to cheer on them as they eat people’s faces and ask for more.
I have heard, but not sure about accuracy, that Latinos who are already here in the US support shutting down the border as it’s less competition and/or draws less attention from racisits persicuting all lationos regarless of immigration status. Kinda like a “got mine, fuck you” mentality which is very GOP.
Some do, especially when you’re including the grandkids of wealthy Cubans who have never set foot outside the US.
But when the actions are the same, the tone matters less.
By matching trump on border policy, it lets a significant amount feel that they can support trump because “both parties are the same” on that topic.
It doesn’t mean a gain for Democrats, just more people that don’t feel obligated to stop trump.
It validates republican nonsense, and makes voters think maybe they were right about other stuff too. Just a massive fumble anyway you look at it.
I mean, giving the president that power would have almost guaranteed Republicans always used it, so when a Dem would get office, they’d all try to cross then. Giving Republicans ammunition for the next election and making it more likely even Dems shut the border down.
What makes you think Latino’s don’t like Trump’s border policies? Clearly, there is not a single representative Latino, but there’s certainly a significant portion that likes closed borders.
I think it’s just generally Republican support from them, which is also odd given they don’t get much back from that support. I guess you could say that for many demographics too, but you’d think the racism edge would discourage minorities, and even encourage them to rally against the Right.
It’s not hard to understand why Latinos vote conservative by default.
They’re almost all raised Catholic.
But I said by default. If anyone comes along and explains things to them, well, then you get why California is so dark blue. Almost no money gets spent advertising on Telemundo.
The Cuban population in America are probably the farthest right. Cubans are weird. They seem to suffer generational trauma from Castro’s takeover, as if communism did some harm to them personally, when generally, it was the store owners and business owners that fled to Florida. Like owning a business isn’t allowed under communism? Lol, k. If anything, owning a business is democratized under communism. And if you like systems where your voice is included in decision making, well guess what, you got democracy and anarchy, and you can’t pre-establish, presume or pre-suppose anarchism. You want horizontal power structures. If you want to be a bootlicking , little bitch beta boy just taking orders and trying to weasel from personal responsibility and accountability as much as possible, then you want fascism or authoritarianism. Or your modern corporate heirachy. You want anything but having to actually look inward and mature into an adult.
What’s scary for most established hierarchy is that most of the communist names you know came from privilege. Che, Castro, Engels, all came from rich or well to do families. They gave up wealth to do what they did. People aren’t taught that part, if they are taught anything positive about the revolutionaries.
Don’t get me wrong, communism has had its ills but it took Russia from a broke backwater laughing stock when Lenin took over to rivaling, and in some ways besting, the only actor in WW2 who didn’t get bombed back 50 years. There’s power in that system. That’s undeniable.
Saved you a click, Harris polls better with Latinos, says the article.
The surprise was that Trump somehow had latino support. This is more like getting unsurprised.
Latinos as a whole are conservative. They just aren’t batshit crazy.
The GOP knows this and even started courting them after losing to Obama (I forget if it was after the first or second loss). The GOP “base” wouldn’t have it though, so they quickly went back to anti immigrant status quo.
That’s a bit of a broad generalization. There are specific Latino immigrant communities that are definitely conservative for historical reasons, like Cuban or Venezuelan people who fled left-wing regimes, but Joe Biden got 66% of the overall Latino vote in 2020 so I wouldn’t say that Latinos on the whole are conservative.
I agree to an extent. I think many times, as humans are wont to do, they self-select themselves into different communities. Most of the South Americans I’ve met here are rabidly Mormon and will cluster together, avoiding non-Mormon latino communities.
There’s definitely a generational difference where I live among the Mexicans.
The over 40 ones are mostly conservative and wear pro-gun paraphernalia and have Trump stickers, and also speak little to no English. Which is sad because Trump and his kind would deport them or put them into labor camps without hesitation.
The younger ones, some of whom are recent immigrants themselves, pretty much all lean towards the left. Especially the women. Most of the latinas under 40 I work with would probably punch a man who told them they should be making babies and sandwiches.
I am definitely not Latino but because I speak Spanish (Mexico) and Portuguese (Brazil), I get to participate in conversations and make friends with more of my coworkers.
trump’s latino support increased when you compare the exist polls from 2016 to the exit polls in 2020 mostly thanks to evangelical/mormon/born-again-christian chicanos & tejanos and cuban gusanos.
it wasn’t enough to win the election and biden still enjoyed overwhelming majority support from all latinos combined and; if the course hadn’t changed with kamala’s entry; it might have been enough this time around to let trump win if combined w trump’s narrow leads in all of the battleground states.
i’m glad biden dropped out and that let kamala regain some of this ground.
Plenty of latino people identify as white. Another group have fled to the US from socialist countries like Cuba, and don’t like the left. Yet another have gone through the immigration process properly and resent the idea of others being able to bypass what they had to go through. (obviously there is some heavy overlap in these groups). When you add them all together its not an insubstantial % of latinos.
If Latino countries are anything like Brazil, it’s because it’s mostly the rightwing nut jobs who want to move to the States in the first place (and mostly Florida so they can stay within Brazilian communities and not have to adapt).
Lots of people get very close to leopards to cheer on them as they eat people’s faces and ask for more.
Why?
Biden wanted to codify Trump’s border policies. It was only a few months ago Biden wouldn’t stop talking about it
And sure trump would have been worse, but the alternative matters. Kamala doesn’t have that baggage.
The only thing that would be surprising is if any demographic suffered losses from replacing Joe.
I have heard, but not sure about accuracy, that Latinos who are already here in the US support shutting down the border as it’s less competition and/or draws less attention from racisits persicuting all lationos regarless of immigration status. Kinda like a “got mine, fuck you” mentality which is very GOP.
Pulling the ladder up behind them is very conservative/boomerish indeed :/
Some do, especially when you’re including the grandkids of wealthy Cubans who have never set foot outside the US.
But when the actions are the same, the tone matters less.
By matching trump on border policy, it lets a significant amount feel that they can support trump because “both parties are the same” on that topic.
It doesn’t mean a gain for Democrats, just more people that don’t feel obligated to stop trump.
It validates republican nonsense, and makes voters think maybe they were right about other stuff too. Just a massive fumble anyway you look at it.
I mean, giving the president that power would have almost guaranteed Republicans always used it, so when a Dem would get office, they’d all try to cross then. Giving Republicans ammunition for the next election and making it more likely even Dems shut the border down.
But Biden thought short term it would help him.
What makes you think Latino’s don’t like Trump’s border policies? Clearly, there is not a single representative Latino, but there’s certainly a significant portion that likes closed borders.
I think it’s just generally Republican support from them, which is also odd given they don’t get much back from that support. I guess you could say that for many demographics too, but you’d think the racism edge would discourage minorities, and even encourage them to rally against the Right.
It’s not hard to understand why Latinos vote conservative by default.
They’re almost all raised Catholic.
But I said by default. If anyone comes along and explains things to them, well, then you get why California is so dark blue. Almost no money gets spent advertising on Telemundo.
The Cuban population in America are probably the farthest right. Cubans are weird. They seem to suffer generational trauma from Castro’s takeover, as if communism did some harm to them personally, when generally, it was the store owners and business owners that fled to Florida. Like owning a business isn’t allowed under communism? Lol, k. If anything, owning a business is democratized under communism. And if you like systems where your voice is included in decision making, well guess what, you got democracy and anarchy, and you can’t pre-establish, presume or pre-suppose anarchism. You want horizontal power structures. If you want to be a bootlicking , little bitch beta boy just taking orders and trying to weasel from personal responsibility and accountability as much as possible, then you want fascism or authoritarianism. Or your modern corporate heirachy. You want anything but having to actually look inward and mature into an adult.
What’s scary for most established hierarchy is that most of the communist names you know came from privilege. Che, Castro, Engels, all came from rich or well to do families. They gave up wealth to do what they did. People aren’t taught that part, if they are taught anything positive about the revolutionaries.
Don’t get me wrong, communism has had its ills but it took Russia from a broke backwater laughing stock when Lenin took over to rivaling, and in some ways besting, the only actor in WW2 who didn’t get bombed back 50 years. There’s power in that system. That’s undeniable.
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