only a handful of investigators at most have been assigned to work on the Nord Stream case on a full-time basis.

the perception among investigators is that the will to solve the case is not particularly pronounced in the capital. Politically, it is easier to live with what happened if it remains unclear who is behind the attacks.

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    “This is the most important investigation of Germany’s postwar history because of its potential political implications,” says a senior security official.

    And yet, nobody in Germany cares. Neither officials nor the people (nor me). The pipe should never have been built, so let’s be thankful to whoever helped us un-building it.

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      Indeed. And even if Ukraine did it IMO it’s a reasonable target in a war like this. Wouldn’t bother me.

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        Best thing that could’ve happened to Germany and Europe. For too long have they been suckling on Russia’s tits and became too dependent on cheap Russian gas.

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          I understand why they did it originally - tie them to you as an ally, so it’s in all parties’ best interests to behave. Gives both sides benefits. But it assumes all parties are rational, and Putin isn’t. I feel sorry for the Russians who don’t know/understand this, since they’ll be paying for this long after Putin offs himself/falls out a window. But fuck Putin.

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        This. So what if Ukraine destroyed the pipeline. Russia invaded their country. Its war. All bets are off when it comes to war. The Ukrainians are allowed to attack Russian assets. Whether they did it themselves or they were helped by the US doesn’t particularly matter. Short of boots on the ground the USA is doing everything it can to support Ukraine in this war. Russia and Russian propagandists can go fuck themselves.

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          This. So what if Ukraine destroyed the pipeline. Russia invaded their country. Its war.

          How about this as a draft of how to react?

          But they didn’t attack the Russian side. They have commited an act of war against an ally. Oh, and of course they kept importing and transfering Russian gas none-the-less… through lines they get paid for. Not really surprising given the fact that they had also pushed lies and propaganda about Germany for half a year at that point (We could see German weapons delivered to Ukraine in videos back in March or see Russians document German mines in April while Ukrainian officials still openly lied that not a single piece promised -including from before the war- was ever delivered… in June. We also will not simply forget the lying propagadist pushing desinformation in Germany for 7 years while pretending to be an actual ambassador), but very telling.

          Proof that they detonated the pipelines that weren’t even in use, so purely for symbolical reasons, and were also willing to attack the infrastructure of a country supporting them to do so would very well fit the picture and should have the obvious consequences:

          Supporting them right now makes sense from humanitarian and geo-political perspectives. Once that acute problem is handled… let’s treat them exactly like the “Russia light” corrupt shit hole that is lying, pushing propaganda and carrying out false-flag operation against an ally even, probably while believing this to be actual foreign politics.

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      Yeah… I always suspected it was Ukraine, since what would Russia gain from destroying it?

      Weirdly enough, I think it might have benefited Germany by removing the insane option to bow to Russia’s blackmail. Just the debate might destabilize the government / society. With NS gone, there wasn’t any question.

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        If it was Russia, a possible motive would be so that they frame the US for blowing it up in the hope that Europe would then blame the US for destroying the supply of gas to Europe. One of the biggest goals of Russia’s disinformation campaigns is to hurt relations between the US and Europe by portraying the US as the bad guy.

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          A one weird thing is that Russia surprisingly didn’t push this issue very hard. I expected a lot of Russia-sponsored propaganda and finger-pointing in the German mediaspace, but there wasn’t that much.

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    Ah yeah, all this evidence like:

    One of the three or four ships in the world with a moon pool that could supply and enable divers to work at the depth of the pipeline, hanging around the area after a naval maneuver less than five days before the explosion

    A US Navy anti-submarine plane (indeed, one of the only planes in the world with the ability to generate a signal that would reach to the depth of the pipeline) flying the length of the pipeline almost exactly 24 hours before the explosion

    And the Commander in Chief of the most expensive powerful military in the world, explaining that the Nordstream pipelines would be brought offline by any means necessary (not shown in the photo, he is standing literally right next to Olaf Scholz - the Chancellor of Germany - who did not even attempt to contradict his statement).

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    A lot of speculation, uncertainty and hypotheticals. The west will continue to support Ukraine against Russia.

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    obviously with the support and assent of the US, but it is a funny counterfactual if the US posturing had actually been to politically pressure the end of Nordstream & it actually fucked up the plan when rogue ukrainians blew it up

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    I figured that was pretty obvious. It should not have been built in the first place.

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    Der Spiegel is running Russian propaganda now? Shameful.

    Also shameful is that privacy popup with no opt-out option. Isn’t that non-compliant?

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      Sure, because reporting on facts is Russian propaganda the moment you don’t like these facts. Good to know that most morons actually love autoritarian regimes without press freedom and like being controlled by propaganda. They simply disagree on who should be the one to spoon-feed them their latest believes.