• Rikudou_Sage
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    1459 months ago

    What dystopia do you guys live in? I’ve worked for some small companies and some corporates and neither did this shit, that really wouldn’t fly here.

      • Rikudou_Sage
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        479 months ago

        That might be it. The more I learn the happier I am I live in EU.

        • IndiBrony
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          179 months ago

          As a Brit who appreciated what the EU did for us: this makes me sad 😢

          • Rikudou_Sage
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            79 months ago

            Well, here’s to hoping that you’ll join us one day again :)

            • 10EXP
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              19 months ago

              This is from someone who doesn’t keep up at all: Does the UK plan on it? Are there at least people proposing rejoining?

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                Nothing serious, but the general consensus online is that it would be the smart thing to do. Note the keyword online. Given that I frequented Reddit and now Lemmy, there’s obviously a bias.

                UK people were kinda drunk on their former glory and didn’t quite notice that basically everyone worth considering (US, EU, China) has the upper hand when dealing with them alone. Realistically speaking, they’ll have to join EU (or its successor) eventually if they want to stay relevant. We might be talking 10 years, 20 years, 50 or even 100. If I personally had to guess, it’s gonna be 20 to 40 years.

                Edit: Forgot to mention that UK had a lot of exceptions because they joined quite early where they had a lot more political strength over the union. When they join, they’ll have to do it by the same rules as everyone else without exceptions which many of them are salty about (meaning those who are generally pro-rejoin but not under the same rules as other countries).

      • @Ricaz@lemmy.ml
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        399 months ago

        It’s legal to spy on your employees in USA?

        I’m beginning to think all their tinfoil conspiracy theories aren’t completely baseless…

        • @1984@lemmy.today
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          Why would it be tinfoil? The us culture is very much about hardcore capitalism. They don’t even have unions or proper vacations.

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              Well, our ~800 people company has unions too. But they don’t do sh#t for people. And I mean real sh#t. Except for once a year they have a meeting with free sandwiches they eat and then go home. Another year of unions well done… apparently by them.

              But my friends working in big technical/industrial corp say their unions are quite strong and they at least care for employees a bit.

              So yeah, there’re unions to this day, but their meaning is not met everywhere.

              • Dark Arc
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                59 months ago

                Are you sure your union isn’t helping? No union is going to be run by miracle workers, but that doesn’t mean they don’t improve conditions. I can’t say for sure, but I suspect this sentiment is part of why union membership fell apart in the 20th century “well my union doesn’t do anything for me anyways.”

                Like democracy, unions do require some upkeep via people stepping up. If you don’t like how your union is performing, you could consider becoming a rep (admittedly based on my limited understanding as a non-union employee).

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                  Yes, I am pretty sure. I know most people there personally. It’s kind of sad it even exists, pretty much waste of money in this case.

                  //edit: it’s virtually impossible to become rep in this case. The company is like family business (not real family, but everyone knows everyone since forever kind of thing) and it is like stalemate for everyone both in union and in management. Unions know they won’t do anything without trying hard (and they won’t because most of them are nearing retirement and they want their peace) and management know unions won’t cause them problems, because they’re what they are.

          • @WingedThing@lemmy.one
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            19 months ago

            Not true on either count. We just don’t have enough unions and only some of us have good vacation.

        • @settoloki@lemmy.one
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          139 months ago

          Yeah, they lack personal freedom in USA, it’s just the way it is. Freedom means it’s ok for your boss to spy on you, they’re free to do that and you are free to be spied on. Oh and they get to own a gun which makes them like really really cool and tough.

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      • iByteABit [he/him]
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        209 months ago

        What kind of work do you do that you can’t measure work done by the actual amount of work done?

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          • @Uniquitous@lemmy.one
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            Presumably that averages out over time, and any given person’s output over time can be compared with their peers. But that would mean management had to take an active hand rather than have some nanny-bot come tattling based on arbitrary metrics that may or may not have any bearing on the actual work being done. Much easier to treat their employees like children.

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  • Melody Fwygon
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    If you care about privacy; you tell your employer clearly that you do not tolerate “Boss-ware” or other spyware on your personal devices.

    If they give a shit; they will then be forced to issue one that the company owns and manages. If they don’t give a shit; you walk away. Lots of companies will hire you without that crap. Don’t believe people who gaslight you by saying “But every company uses it!” or anything sounding remotely like it.

    On a company-issued machine; you tell your employer clearly that you do not tolerate “Boss-ware” that will be used to track or manage your time. Walk away; if they refuse to keep your machine clean of it or attempt to raise any concern that you’re not at your PC every damned moment of your core hours. You have a right to live your life. As long as your immediate bosses and supervisors are happy with the quality and quantity of the work you submit, you’ve done your job. If they are unhappy with the quality or quantity of your work then, they can respectfully schedule a meeting with you to discuss it. The way an actual adult should be treated, and, would be treated in an actual office that observes all standard rules of professionalism. With respect.

    TL;DR: Do not accept the implementation of Boss-ware as if the decision was made with any professionalism or respect for you. If they implement it; you leave as fast as possible. Take any friends that you can with you too, if you can.

    • @eek2121@lemmy.world
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      189 months ago

      My employer bought my laptop and had it shipped directly from Apple to my doorstep. No nefarious software installed. I must be missing out on some good old fashioned fun.

      • @lud
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        149 months ago

        Fyi: At least with windows, you can get devices which are pre configured straight from the manufacturer. It’s called Autopilot (and it’s awesome).

        It’s fairly obvious it’s configured since you have to login to a corporate MS account so you don’t have to worry about it, but it’s just neat.

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          Receiving a Windows Autopilot device direct from the manufacturer or vendor in no way prevents your employer from installing whatever software they want on the device, of course. I can’t speak for the Apple device but I would imagine there are ways to remotely manage the device even there - requiring the employee to sign in to Jamf, perhaps.

          • Freeman
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            59 months ago

            You can buy a MacBook and have it preregistered with your apple business account. From there the first run will auto add it to jamf and apply policies.

          • @lud
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            59 months ago

            That was my point precisely.

            • @fouloleron@lemmy.world
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              29 months ago

              My apologies. I felt a little like you were agreeing with the previous commenter (“no nefarious software”) when you were talking about Autopilot, and I thought it worth pointing out that your employer certainly can install “nefarious” things even if they didn’t directly provision the device for you.

              Of course I know that a lot of work still goes into setting up Intune so that your Autopilot devices are fit for use!

    • Melody Fwygon
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      109 months ago

      As an aside; there are USB devices which can act like keyboards and mice; some of which are very clever and intricate. You can use them to your advantage while using work-issued equipment; but keep in mind you’ll need to program it on your personal PC.

      You can definitely get creative with some of them and have them simulate the typing and clicking of a lot of different things at random intervals.

      • @lud
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        79 months ago

        Some devices on Amazon are completely separate from the computer and can be powered from the wall.

        But in the end, you should really look into switching jobs, if you worry about this.

      • 520
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        Also worth noting: if at all possible you’ll want to program a different USB ID onto the device.

      • @Serinus@lemmy.world
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        19 months ago

        They typically suck. A lot of them just click 5 times a second, constantly. Often they are recognized as odd hardware.

  • @BruceDoh@sh.itjust.works
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    579 months ago

    I’m probably about to get down voted. But as an IT guy, I install tracking software on a very small subset of systems of employees that are pretty much about to be fired for being useless. The reason we do that is basically to catch employees being dishonest. It’s quite possible that the nature of the work makes their productivity hard to gauge. Once we install the software we have some data we can use to push back against outright lies. If we see them spending 75% of their day planning their next vacation instead of getting their work done, they are gone. We don’t install the software unless you are already failing to do your job.

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      Objection! There is some contradiction in your statement. How do you tell they are already failing to do their job, if you say that their productivity is hard to gauge? If they deliver the expected results, why does it matter that they spend time planning their vacation?

      If the employee is already found to be useless, the company can fire them without data from the tracking.

      • @BruceDoh@sh.itjust.works
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        We don’t know they are useless, that is just the suspicion. The nature of the work is that sometimes output can be impacted by forces outside of their control. If we wait long enough, the pattern will be obvious, but why pay someone to not do work when we can just install software on their computer that will almost immediately let us know that they aren’t even putting in full days?

        I honestly don’t get the opposition to this kind of thing. You’re on your work computer, not your own device. Use the work computer for work and use your personal devices for personal stuff. If your contract says you work 40 hours per week, work 40 hours per week.

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          159 months ago

          It is a failure of the manager if the subordinates’ work is only measured by hours worked but not with the KPIs. High-quality work by smart employees are much more valuable than employees who work slowly in front of the computer and making lots of mistakes costing the company more money at the end.

          • @Nath@aussie.zone
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            69 months ago

            Some people (I’m super guilty of this) are terrible at paperwork. They get in there and fix a problem. Then they fix another problem. Then another. They don’t prioritize documenting the things they fixed, because they see the next broken thing as more important than some paperwork.

            Then we get to the end of the week. That employee hasn’t finished their assigned work because they spent half the week fixing problems. Only it’s four days later and they don’t remember all the things they fixed earlier in the week.

            Is this an unproductive employee? They were set a task and they didn’t complete it. They have little to show for the time they worked this week.

            I hate tracking software and would never want it on my computer. But, I can see it being employed to demonstrate productive employees flying under the radar just as easily as it shows employees slacking off.

            Some of us just don’t draw big signs and say ‘look at me!’ They just get in there and get stuff done.