Everything is about details. Yeah, most voters (myself included) will probably disagree with any 1-sentence plan on what is certainly a controversial topic.
So build out a robust plan and let’s start tweaking it. When I look for such plans, I see a lot of high-minded rhetoric about why we should do SOMETHING, but no specifics.
My point is accurately summarized within the article itself:
UC Berkeley Associate Professor Jovan Scott Lewis, who is on the IGS faculty advisory board and a member of the task force, said the poll’s question about cash payments misled respondents into thinking that reparations are “nothing more than a handout.” The question did not specify the task force’s basis for financial reimbursement, he argued in a statement to the Chronicle, and implied that payments were “for being Black in California and experiencing racism, as a generic condition of being Black.”
My point is, any brief statement on solving this controversial problem is going to be incomplete, at best. At worst, it’s going to produce a biased negative response.
I’m not so sure. I think cash payment will always be interpreted as a handout regardless of content or context. Whitey doesn’t want to pay what he owes. You can’t escape that.
As a whitey, I refuse to consider any reparations to black people, who California never enslaved, prior to native people, who California did enslave, and massacred too. Descendents of the exploited Asians who came here should probably be in that discussion too. Any discussion of reparations to Black people and exclusively Black people is a handout.
California was a free state from the start. Not to say it didnt benifit, but its pretty hard to quantify that in any meaningful way. Plus the state has a far more notable and easier to quantify list of autrocities, the scalp hunting of native americans being the largest and most brutal.
Any reperation like system should be on a socio-economic level, prioritize historically poor areas first. Not to say you cant give direct reperations for certain things, for example it shouldnt be too hard to track down families whos properties were serized for the construction of the Interstate system, most of who were minorities or poor.
It’s possible to quantify the import/export values with the slave holding states, and from there determine the economic benefits slavery had in non slave holding states.
This discussion is kinda pointless, though, because whitey will never pay for his crimes. Not any of them. Not for the genocides, not for enslavement, not for land theft, nothing. Whitey will never willingly give up what he took.
And what exactly did people nowadays take, you can quantify damages for the living IE those who suffered under segregation. But using my ancestors for example, while they were no John Brown they still tortured and killed a solid number of slave hunters for fun.
White aint a unified block, a Polish american may benefit from the social circumstances of being white but their ancestors probably had no attachments to the institutions themselves.
But why am I wasting my time with ya, every person who ive heard use the term whitey unironically has been a whelp not worth talking to.
Everything is about details. Yeah, most voters (myself included) will probably disagree with any 1-sentence plan on what is certainly a controversial topic.
So build out a robust plan and let’s start tweaking it. When I look for such plans, I see a lot of high-minded rhetoric about why we should do SOMETHING, but no specifics.
Pretty sure the implication is they oppose cash payments regardless of the details.
My point is accurately summarized within the article itself:
My point is, any brief statement on solving this controversial problem is going to be incomplete, at best. At worst, it’s going to produce a biased negative response.
I’m not so sure. I think cash payment will always be interpreted as a handout regardless of content or context. Whitey doesn’t want to pay what he owes. You can’t escape that.
As a whitey, I refuse to consider any reparations to black people, who California never enslaved, prior to native people, who California did enslave, and massacred too. Descendents of the exploited Asians who came here should probably be in that discussion too. Any discussion of reparations to Black people and exclusively Black people is a handout.
Y’all are still American lol
Do you think California didn’t benefit at all from slavery?
California was a free state from the start. Not to say it didnt benifit, but its pretty hard to quantify that in any meaningful way. Plus the state has a far more notable and easier to quantify list of autrocities, the scalp hunting of native americans being the largest and most brutal.
Any reperation like system should be on a socio-economic level, prioritize historically poor areas first. Not to say you cant give direct reperations for certain things, for example it shouldnt be too hard to track down families whos properties were serized for the construction of the Interstate system, most of who were minorities or poor.
It’s possible to quantify the import/export values with the slave holding states, and from there determine the economic benefits slavery had in non slave holding states.
This discussion is kinda pointless, though, because whitey will never pay for his crimes. Not any of them. Not for the genocides, not for enslavement, not for land theft, nothing. Whitey will never willingly give up what he took.
And what exactly did people nowadays take, you can quantify damages for the living IE those who suffered under segregation. But using my ancestors for example, while they were no John Brown they still tortured and killed a solid number of slave hunters for fun.
White aint a unified block, a Polish american may benefit from the social circumstances of being white but their ancestors probably had no attachments to the institutions themselves. But why am I wasting my time with ya, every person who ive heard use the term whitey unironically has been a whelp not worth talking to.
Do you deny native people were massacred and enslaved in California?
Absolutely not? What the fuck. America was built on genocide.
So you agree that native people in California have been harmed far worse than Black people?