• ahornsirup
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      217 days ago

      If only there was a country that could easily end the war by simply withdrawing back behind its borders…

      But do keep cheering for a fascist dictator – everything to oppose evil America, right? No matter how many innocents die.

      • @thefartographer
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        67 days ago

        Sometimes it’s hard to go after the killer when the calls are coming from within the house

      • @ned4cyb@lemmy.ml
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        26 days ago

        There are other perspectives on this matter that disagree with USA narrative you just repeated. I would go as far as to say that it is US propaganda. To your surprise, most of the world does not agree with what you are describing.

        • ahornsirup
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          Then the rest of the world ought to read Putin’s own essay on what he thinks of Ukraine, I can’t be bothered to link it right now but it’s on the Kremlin’s official website if you want to read it yourself. This invasion is a blatant, imperialist landgrab.

      • @zephyreks@programming.dev
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        Russia was very clear what their red lines were, even back in like 2009. NATO kept pushing the issue. Then, by their own admission, teams like the US 4th PsyOps orchestrated Euromaidan to overthrow the Ukrainian government. Ukraine might be mostly innocent here, but neither Russia nor NATO are.

        • @FluffyPotato
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          This is just US exceptionalism in another form. The US didn’t organize Euromaidan, Yanukovych wanted to become a dictator so he passed a bunch of laws to do so but people protested and he put the protestors down, causing enough protests to make him flee.

          Stop assuming everything happening in the world is done by the US, your country is not that important.

          • @zephyreks@programming.dev
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            Well, admittedly the US 4th PsyOps could be lying in their promotional materials, but the track record of US support for regime changes has been pretty exceptional. Basically, past performance implies future performance.

      • @freagle@lemmygrad.ml
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        I’m so excited for you! You have so much history to learn about!

        But do keep cheering for a fascist dictator

        Fascism is, despite what liberals will tell you, not an abstract concept but rather a concrete historical phenomenon that gained it’s name during the rise of the anti-communist movement known as the Third Reich in Germany. Adolf Hitler, the leader of the Third Reich, wrote about his vision, motivation, ambitions, and inspiration in Mein Kampf. In it, he describes how much he admired the systems that the USA inherited from the Netherlands, France, England, and Spain and perfected - systems of slavery, apartheid, eugenics, prison labor, propaganda, cultural genocide, industrial mass murder, land appropriation, scientific racism, child separation, and permanent underclass maintenance. In Mein Kampf, Hitler details his aspirations to take the American system and use it to dominate the Slavs in the same way that the USA dominated indigenous and black peoples. In this way, we see how fascism was not born in Germany but rather named in Germany and born in the European colonies and most highly developed in the USA.

        When Germany turned the North Atlantic colonial project towards white people in Europe, it became something that challenged the USA’s burgeoning economic hegemony. It was allowed to proceed so long as it looked like it would destroy the USSR, which was the primary ideological threat to the North Atlantic project for global domination. But when the USSR demonstrated it was not merely capable of defending itself but of marching all the way across Europe and fully defeating history’s most advanced military at the time, the USA needed to intervene and ensure the USSR didn’t control the end state after having defeated 80% of all German troops.

        So the USA intervened and implemented Operation Paperclip where it protected Nazi members and officials and distributed them around the world, often in positions of power. It then built NATO and staffed it with Nazi officers and then executed Operation Gladio in which the USA coordinated, established, trained, armed, funded, and facilitated “stay-behind” militias of Nazis all over Europe. In this way, we see that the USA didn’t defeat fascism, it birthed it, internationalized it, protected it, incubated it, and used it to advance it’s aims.

        In a very historically accurate way, it is almost impossible to call Putin a fascist. The fascists have always been the white North Atlantians and they continue to be. In a very historical way, the Nazis in Ukraine are the result of Operation Gladio and the funding, training, supporting, and facilitation of those Nazis by the USA is in no way aberrant but in fact completely congruent with 80 years of USA activity in Europe.

        everything to oppose evil America, right? No matter how many innocents die.

        When you see it, you won’t be able to unsee it. America has killed more innocents than USSR+Russia has by at least one order of magnitude. Everything to oppose evil America is motivated entirely by the desire to minimize the total number of innocents killed. America will not stop when asked nicely. They have demonstrated this for the last 100 years of mass murder of innocents all over the world, so inevitably, any resistance of the USA will result in the death of innocents. The US pioneered the modern formulation of proxy war and it is incredibly deadly to innocents. This war in Ukraine is not different. It is a USA proxy war against Russia.

        If you don’t think America has killed that many innocents, just tally up the death tolls of indigenous Americans, blacks, and Asians domestically, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Korea, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, The Philippines, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Ghana, Chad, Palestine, Cuba, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Venezuela, Guatemala, El Salvador, Iran, Haiti, Honduras, Paraguay, Congo, Russia, Al-Qaeda, The School of the Americas, the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, just to start your education.

        Stopping America will save more innocents than trying to save innocents by appeasing America.

        Happy reading! I hope you enjoy the learning process as much as I did!

    • DianaHasWings
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      77 days ago

      I agree! The Russians are ghouls for continuing this horrid bloodbath. They should withdraw to the internationally recognised border immediately.

      • @ned4cyb@lemmy.ml
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        The bloodbath is being sustained by the west because they keep providing weapons to Ukraine in a war that THEY (USA) provoked and that cannot be won. Key point in the conflict is when Ukraine withdrew from negotiations after Boris Johnson’s meeting with Zelensky. Since that day more close to half a million people have died. Whoever can use reason and think for his own, can understand what that means. The fighting will immediately stop when the west stops providing money and weapons

        • @havocpants
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          66 days ago

          Bollocks. The fighting will stop when Russia fucks off. What is this concern trolling shit you’re doing? “Just roll over and let Russia take your country, then fewer people will die”. You should be ashamed of yourself.

          • @ned4cyb@lemmy.ml
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            Oh yeah? Who backed off from the negotiations in April 2022? Remember what was Russia’s demands? I bet you are clueless and you cannot accept the facts. Yet you call me the troll and should be ashamed? It’s people like you that are the core of the problem

      • @freagle@lemmygrad.ml
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        You mean the border that the Euro-Centric world has invaded Russia over twice, causing the deaths of millions of Russians each time? That border? The one which the world’s most advanced nuclear military has been marching towards for decades with an army explicitly designed to counter Russian technology? The one the US planned to install nuclear capabilities along?

        That border?

        The war is over the minute the USA comes to the negotiating table. They’ve been invited a dozen times over the last 20 years to come to some agreement that doesn’t involve dismantling MAD and establishing nuclear first-strike capabilities. They refuse and say it’s their right to dismantle MAD even if it means launching proxy wars and causing the death of millions of citizens in those proxies, even if it means arming and training Nazis through Operation Gladio, appointing Nazis to leadership of NATO, and vetoing all attempts by the international community to ban the glorification of Nazis through the UN.

        There is one root cause of this war, and it’s the USA. NATO officials have said it, the USA has said it, Russia has said it, China has said it, the academy has said it, the anti-war block has said it, BRICS+ has said it.

        The only people who think Russia is the problem here are you and your terminally online liberals.

    • @TexMexBazooka
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      86 days ago

      Right? Mentioning ukraine makes them crawl out of the woodwork and blame NATO for a sovereign nation invading another sovereign nation.

        • @bobman@unilem.org
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          Yeah, but who are you to call it out?

          Are you some grand impartial judge who is completely immune to propaganda yourself?

          • @awwwyissss
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            26 days ago

            Are you saying people shouldn’t stand up against disinformation and attempts to squash human rights?

            I’ll call out communities that openly endorse executing people who disagree with their extremist propaganda. Go spend some time reading through Hexbear.

  • @Armen12
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    Because they want it to, it’s good for business

    • BenderOver
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      You do know, just because tHe MeDiA said this would be over by Christmas, doesn’t mean it will? This is war. It doesn’t resolve itself in days or weeks. The US has funds set up till at least 2032, if I recall correctly, for Ukraine.

      • @gnuhaut@lemmy.ml
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        These drone strikes are more about improving Ukrainian morale, rather than hurting Russian morale.

        Can’t win a war on symbolic victories alone. When they run out of real recruits it won’t matter that the NAFO dork army is still in high spirits as they imagine Russians cowering in fear.

    • Skua
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      36 days ago

      Realistically, a long, long time yet. Let’s take the Soviet Union in WW2 as an example of fighting on despite horrendous casualties. If we look at only military deaths and not civilian ones, it lost about 5.4% of its 1940 population. If Ukraine were to sustain the same proportion of deaths today against its 2022 population, it’d add up to two million. Even Russian estimates of Ukrainian deaths are nowhere remotely close to that sort of number yet.

      Obviously that’d be a truly horrific outcome. But in terms of the raw number of people available, Ukraine is a very long way from exhaustion.