• jack [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    I think you guys are being a bit over the top here about his:

    Germans made three political concessions: It was stipulated that the division shall not be used to fight Western Allies, and would be used exclusively to “fight Bolsheviks”. The other concession was in that its oath of allegiance to Hitler was conditional on the fight against Bolshevism.

    Good thing there’s no link between anti communism and fascism

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    Formed in 1943, it was largely destroyed in the battle of Brody

    Completely unsurprising lmfao. The majority of SS volunteer formations absolutely sucked in combat, exceptions being for example “Nordland” but their actions were completely reckless and suicidal, achieving nothing in return. “Galizien” was among the terrible ones, units like these were good in nothing else than “anti partisan activities”, and that often means pure war crimes – hanging suspected partisans, surrendered partisans or general combat with irregular units, where the Germans conducted their war with no rules whatsoever. But when the time to face the actual Red Army came, these units were almost always utterly swept aside by the Soviets. After a good few days of intense beatings, their remnants would pull back and reorganize far from the front, where they resumed “anti partisan activities”. “Galizien” took part in supressing the Slovak National Uprising, which they did by massacring civilians.

    Also being volunteer formations make every single soldier absolutely guilty of every terrible action their units did, if some soldiers were forced into service there might be an argument, but there isn’t, because each one of these fucks knew what they were doing. I am glad the Red Army brought ultimate justice to these pieces of shit, althrough this one might have slipped away.

    And he slipped away to Canada like a fucking rat. And years later, Canada would give this fuck a standing ovation. Canada. Ask Canadian WW2 vets what they thought of the SS, ask any of their Normandy vets what they would do to any prisoner belonging to the “SS Hitlerjugend” division, this unit has a very particular history with Canadians. The SS commited numerous war crimes against Canadian troops in WW2, and these motherfuckers are now giving them standing ovations? Man fuck the west, fuck every bit of this worthless concept. Fuck all liberals, motherfuckers are an insult even to their own history.

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      that often means pure war crimes

      It 100% meant pure war crimes. It’s not like they had any competence for actual police work or any discipline for actual garrison duty or anything else valuable.

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    There’s actually large Ukrainian exile groups living in Canada, including some linked to OUN-B (Organization Ukrainian Nationalists - Bandera faction)

    https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/the-canadian-bandera-network

    Here’s a Ukrainian-Canadian high school student holding a picture of the genocidal Yaroslav Stetsko

    Here’s a bunch of Ukrainian-Canadian children in front of a giant bust of the genocidal Roman Shukhevych

    Some info about Stetsko/Shukhevych (source: https://archive.md/GZa2H):

    Just goes to show you that the war against fascism is global. There is no “fleeing” to places like Canada to get away from this shit. You must arm yourself and get ready to kill fascists within your life time.

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    Weird that the call it the First Ukrainian Division when it was called "SS Schuetzen Division “Galizien” when this old Nazi bitch joined up. For a real ass patriot like this fella it’s weird he joined this outfit considering “The terms “Ukrainian”, “Ukraine”, could not be used when addressing the division, stressing the Imperial Austro-Hungarian heritage of the term “Galizien”.”

    Also found out that this evil cocksucker might’ve seen fucking Himmler himself when he gave his division a speech.

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    AP news wrote a lot of words when they could’ve just said Stalin shouldn’t have stopped at Berlin.

    Edit: Also, I’m overflowing with tankie energy right now. galaxy-brain

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    Always important to point out that more Ukrainian fought in the Red Army in WW2 than with the Nazi collaborators. Just to piss off the “national liberation” crowd.

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      It was easily predicted that the west wouldn’t liberalize Ukraine, but that Ukraine would fascitize the west (even further).

      Liberalism morphs into fascism when threatened under war conditions. Of course the west would become extra fascist from getting heavily involved with a war on behalf of fascists. It’s so frustrating that we could see this was going to happen but could do nothing to stop it.

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        Liberalism morphs into fascism when threatened under war conditions

        that’s not remotely how it works

        fascism is an ideology that tends to crop up in societies where hiring gangs of thugs to brutalise people is an accepted and common part of the economy and political system and there is a threat of communism to react to

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          Wrong. Liberalism and fascism are the same exact thing under different parts of the capitalist cycle. They are the same people fighting for the same interests.

          If fascism requires a credible communist threat, why is it so widespread in Ukraine where there is no serious socialist center of power or movement? Fascism does require anti-communism, but it doesn’t require actual communists to oppose, just the Spectre of one in their imagination. It will find a suitable scapegoat and label it cultural marxist (as seen by the labeling of the Russian’s as “the new USSR” and conspiracies about Putin being controlled by the “commie Jews” or the “chicoms”)

          Fascism does arise in crumbling capitalist states in periods of crisis, that much is true which is why I said it’s Liberalism under bad conditions.

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    Being a leftist and knowing the actual history seems like some kinda clown-car damnation from time to time. This is one of those times.

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      I wouldn’t say there’s a correlation in knowing the actual history. Those guys are just modest about the Nazi part, but well aware of it. They just want to reduce the attack surface.

      So calling them Nazis and treating as such is fair.

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      You may be right, but Ukraine is still a defending country facing many war crimes by the attacker. Which also hasn’t provoked that attack in any way.

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        Other than bombing civilians for a decade and sending neonazi terrorists to harass and murder them and attempting to join an aggressive military alliance that was created to encircle and destroy their neighbor, sure, they didn’t do anything to provoke it.

        It’s one thing to think Ukraine is the “better” side on balance but to claim that they didn’t do anything to provoke an attack just shows that you don’t know anything about what’s been going on in the region.

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      Not even the words “SS” or “German”. The average unbiased, unpropagandized westerner will read the caption and think “whoa wholesome Ukrainian military unit”

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        Got banned from there months ago for “spreading Russian misinformation” when I said “I don’t think we should give self avowed nazis a bunch of military gear with no strings attached because after the war they’ll still have them and use them to do nazi shit in a newly destabilized region”

        Does saying “I told you so” ever actually get you anything or are the libs gonna ignore the fact they’ve been wrong about everything for decades until they get us all killed.

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          Does saying “I told you so” ever actually get you anything

          It doesn’t, after Azov transforms into Azov Qaeda or whatever after the war libs will just lie saying they never supported the proxy war in Ukraine anyway and they’ll just jump back into the 24h news cycle to support some other far-right group in Taiwan instead.