Various nuggets of interest in this survey of Gen Z and millennials

    • @meco03211@lemmy.world
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      647 months ago

      Remember Ann Coulter bemoaned women’s suffrage for costing trump 2020. I’d assume some of that 45% know who he is and are either brainwashed themselves or think they stand to benefit from his rhetoric.

  • TinyPizza
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    1777 months ago

    Johnny Harris did a “both sides” dive into Joe a month ago and I unsubbed after watching that garbage. He just kinda breezes over shit and ends up being like “he just intellectually curious.” Fuck right off with that shit. I remember years ago when that jungle spice smoking thumb of a man had Andy Ngo on and a friend of mine was trying to defend him asking if its “ok for people to attack a journalist.” The friend didn’t really know the context outside of the vague framework they supplied, but we argued for like 20 minutes. Even after I showed him who Ngo really was and what he was all about, it seemed impossible to break the perception he’d been given that Ngo was a victim.

    Rogan is a misinformation gateway that primes people for the bigger scam down the line, whilst washing it’s hands of any responsibility. He disarms people with a “curious” persona and the majority of his content just being empty mental calories to be consumed. It’s like a viral carrier that dulls peoples mental immunity against right wing propaganda by surrounding it in a 100 layers of DMT vision stories. Personally feel like it makes him one of the bigger dangers for people getting put into the pilled pipeline.

    • @lobut@lemmy.ca
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      Rogan is a misinformation gateway that primes people for the bigger scam down the line, whilst washing it’s hands of any responsibility.

      It’s a psychological phenomenon called “the Joe Rogan Experience”. Seriously, as an avid former listener, it’s basically that. We can debate whether or not be doesn’t it maliciously or not but this is actually what’s happening.

      • @AzPsycho@lemmy.world
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        17 months ago

        As a former listener I just enjoyed that he had people on I both wanted to hear from and people who were talking about shit I never heard of so it filled din as background noise while working. Even when he was misinformed it was merely the topic of the day. Sometime around when he had Dan Crenshaw on for the first time is when I remember him really digging into weird rightwing talking points. Once covid hit it was over. It was like he moved into an ego silo and he wouldnt even let his guests provide a point of view he didn’t agree with or understand. Every episode became about COVID and the woke left. He really is a fucking misinformation machine who can get away with it because everyone knows he is that fucking stupid.

      • pips
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        237 months ago

        He’s got an amateur’s level of knowledge while presenting as an expert. The moment in the video about China’s plans to invade Taiwan where he said he used Google Translate as opposed to asking literally anyone in DC who knows Mandarin to help him with translations was when I realized he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about for many of the subjects he covers. I think there are policy and IR issues where he actually does have some knowledge, but I don’t think any of it goes to the level of expertise required to educate on the subject, which is what he purports to do.

    • Franzia
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      207 months ago

      Johnny Harris has always been doing that shit. With every video he gets more ‘centrist’, or permissively unchallenging.

    • @pingveno@lemmy.ml
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      7 months ago

      I live in Portland so I’ve had the “privilege” of seeing who Andy Ngo really is closer hand than most. He’s nothing but a right wing propagandist, but he tries to cast himself as a journalist. The only similarity between him and an actual journalist is that he writes things.

      • @BossDj
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        57 months ago

        Someone earlier was still trying to push the “cement milkshakes” thing that never happened. It was scary when the media did pick him up while he was useful to them for a minute.

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          17 months ago

          In a way I’m not surprised that the media picked that up. It was just hard to get a faithful account of everything that was happening at the scene.

    • archomrade [he/him]
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      87 months ago

      Before listening to Joe Rogan, my dad was a Reagan-era fiscal conservative, and now he regularly talks about how the WEF is a conspiratorial group trying to bring about the “great reset”, how COVID was both a hoax and also a bioweapon meant to disrupt western capitalism, and how BLM is a terrorist Marxist group who supports abortion as a means to destroy the nuclear family. I largely credit Rogan (and other ‘apolitical’ gateway pundits like him) for my father, and millions of other men, taking a hard turn right into reactionary politics.

      He is not a harmless ‘dumb ape’

      • TinyPizza
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        37 months ago

        That sucks. I wonder how many years of time we’ve all lost with our parents because these con-men. I listen to “Knowledge Fight” and Alex Jones has been crowing for months now how he’s finally locked Joe in and got him to commit to the plan. The pride in his voice as he preens about duping Rogan makes me fell physically ill. Highly recommend “Knowledge fight” if you haven’t checked it out!

      • @NewNewAccount@lemmy.world
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        247 months ago

        fuck you for continuing this narrative that violence against people you don’t like is ok.

        When did they say or imply this?

        • @beteljuice@lemmy.ml
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          -197 months ago

          You said you argued with your friend about Ngo being attacked but not being the victim. Come on, it’s not like your comment was 100 pages long.

          • @Sharkwellington@lemmy.one
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            They were probably using definition 2 from Merriam-Webster.

            attack verb at·tack ə-ˈtak attacked; attacking; attacks

            transitive verb

            1 : to set upon or work against forcefully attack an enemy fortification

            2 : to assail with unfriendly or bitter words a politician verbally attacked by critics

            3 : to begin to affect or to act on injuriously plants attacked by aphids

            4

            a : to set to work on attack a problem

            b : to begin to eat (food) eagerly At the table he attacked his meal with such singleminded ferocity as to be, as Boswell put it, disgusting to those whose sensations were delicate.— Donald R. DeGlopper

            5 chess : to threaten (a piece) with immediate capture

            • @beteljuice@lemmy.ml
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              Bullshit, by this definition every journalist is under attack. Ngo was famously attacked in public with a concrete “milkshake” for supposedly being a nazi. There are people on Lemmy in other forums defending this. There is no confusion here, so don’t sow it.

              • @BossDj
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                107 months ago

                There, famously, were never any concrete milkshakes when he HAD A VEGAN MILKSHAKE POURED ON HIM FROM CLOSER UP. In the video, the empty cup softly bounces to the ground. Look at the pictures. He’s wet with milkshake. His lawsuit that he lost didn’t include it. He sued a bunch of random people for picking on him. But every lawsuit was either dropped or he lost. The only money he got was from 3 people who didn’t show up to trial, so the law says they had to pay some of the lawyer fees ONLY because they didn’t show up.

                One person punched him. That was wrong. One of the people he sued said she yelled and berated him (never touched him) because she’d had friends attacked and the assailants were spouting Ngo lies they’d seen on social media.

                You’re being lied to. Willingly. Don’t let that happen.

              • Grant_M
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                57 months ago

                Ngo isn’t a journalist. He’s a Nazi.

            • @BossDj
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              107 months ago

              He liked to hide in antifa crowds and they’d catch him and yell and him and pour food on him. One time he got punched and had a milkshake poured on him. Some MAGA cop got interviewed and said that he’d heard about people in other places putting cement in milkshakes. That was the time he’s referring to. He and right wing media made up a bunch of exaggerated bullshit lies to make that whiney baby into a martyr.

              • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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                17 months ago

                Yeah I just saw articles about Ngo charging and suing people but everything being found to be baseless accusations.

                Understandable why the right wingers would like him.

              • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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                17 months ago

                Thanks for the source.

                So the two that showed up were found not liable and the three that didn’t were found liable?

                How come in the article and headline it’s referred to as ‘alleged assault’?

      • @Sharkwellington@lemmy.one
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        67 months ago

        fuck you for continuing this narrative that violence against people you don’t like is ok.

        They never said this.

        I’m sure you’ll retort with him associating with fascists or providing kill lists (which is bullshit if you look into it) or being a “stochastic terrorist” (what the fuck even is that).

        They never said this, and you’re REALLY gonna want to learn what stochastic terrorism is if you want to join intelligent conversation about modern politics.

        It’s insane to me that your argument against Rogan is about not supporting anarchist guerilla warfare.

        They never said this.

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          It’s clear from their comment that they are referring to the well known physically violent attack against Ngo, and that they are claiming that Ngo is not the victim here. It’s not theoretical astrophysics, read the comment again. What’s with the abject denialism here?

          Regarding your other comments, I know what that means, I was just preemptively calling out potential BS responses, because they were used multiple times before on this very Lemmy instance by others defending the violence against Ngo.

        • @beteljuice@lemmy.ml
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          I left reddit because all of the brain dead right wing trumper zombies that toe the line, only to find the left wing equivalents here. Fuck politics as a team sport. Literally no difference between either side other than the team color

          • bermuda
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            Being argumentative is only going to help contribute into making lemmy another reddit. Many, many of us left reddit to escape these vitriolic violent comment threads that were so pervasive on the platform. It’s obvious that you’re passionate about your beliefs and I’m not trying to tell you to stop being passionate, but I don’t think really anybody enjoys seeing this platform becoming like that one.

            • @beteljuice@lemmy.ml
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              I’m arguing AGAINST violence. I’m a pacifist. And I’m tired of being called right wing or fascist everytime I argue for pacificism, when I couldn’t be any further from the right wing. It’s insanity. Have you said anything to the violence supporters in this thread?

              • bermuda
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                27 months ago

                I could your insults violent as a metaphor. Calling somebody a dumbfuck doesn’t solve anything and, like I said, helps contribute to this space becoming like reddit was at its worst.

                Have you said anything to the violence supporters in this thread?

                No and it’s pretty clear to me that you simply don’t understand why. The people that you think are “violence supporters” are at least talking in the thread like normal rational people. It’s perfectly okay to not like people! What’s not okay is acting like a five year old and having a meltdown over what you perceive that they support, as well as insulting them multiple times. You seriously need to take a step back and see that you are the problem in this thread. You might not like what the person you were responding to said, but at least they said it like a grown adult.

                This conversation is over and you’re being blocked because I think it’s pretty clear that your comments aren’t contributing anything of value to this