Oh there’s plenty of propaganda here, pretty extreme as well…
There can’t be propaganda if everyone agrees with me! I think we’re in good shape!
Extreme? Like Tony the Tiger who is the mascot of Kellogg’s Frosted Flakes cereal. They’re grrreat!
It’s not as clever yet, thought, as the demographic is rather small. I was amazed that reddits’ world news the comments were almost uniformly not only anti Hamas but pro Israel. I mean not to pick a side here, and not saying theres not astroturfing here. However there’s more diversity of position, whereas the reddit thread felt almost strangly like everyone was just saying stuff, but not carrying any meaning. Felt like the last scene of body snatchers where even the protagonist turns out to be snatched, in a way.
The amount of sophistication is lower. There are people holding extreme positions but quite often they self identify and aren’t state sponsored most of the time.
I agree and have noticed the same things. I don’t think Lemmy is big enough to attract the state sponsors yet like Reddit is but it will probably be susceptible to the same issues when it is.
It usually gets buried in downvotes tho, maniacs are everywhere…
Never doubt your ability to be influenced by propaganda. The technique that broke the internet in 2015, lying and then confirming the lie more convincingly with a second account, is still very successful today.
confirms convincingly
That broke the internet long before the 2000s.
yeah, doesnt he remember the 1370s?
When they took down Constantinople with a DDOS.
Oh, well, it might seem like it for you, on lemmy.world. My instance didn’t defederate a single other instance, and I can tell you there’s plenty.
use linux
Facts
Agree
Uh no. Lemmy is very much a groupthink entity. If you don’t agree with the hive, you’re berated and downvoted into oblivion.
Is this post a paradox?
Lemmy is great at proving me right.
“Everyone that disagrees with me is groupthink”
Edit: how dare you downvote me, groupthinker
It’s worse than Reddit in this respect.
Largely because Reddit was so much more diverse. Even ol hive mindey Reddit tolerated differing views significantly better than the shit heap that is Lemmy.
Reddit does get super echo chamber-y in some places, though. Check out any thread in /r/worldnews lately and all the comments. They’re all of the same opinion. At least on Lemmy I see disagreement. I see as many complaints about tankies on Lemmy as I do tankies themselves, for example. The only one I’ve seen in this thread has all their comments in the negative.
I see you’re on lemmy.world. Try out a Lemmy that hasn’t blocked the tankie instances for a change, it’s wild.
If you think there’s no propaganda on lemmy then I have news for you.
And fake internet points.
And I’m sure top men are working on monetization.
I’ve already seen plenty of posts and comments that look suspiciously product-placementy.
You look like you like rigatoni. Perhaps you’d be interested in trying SmellFresh Fabric softener. It helps keep your knees bent while you use the tobacco masher.
Kinky.
Idk why everyone keeps talking about kagi everytime searc engines are mentionned
Kagi appeals to the same people who like lemmy. They haven’t done any affiliate marketing that I know of.
I mean I’d be really surprised if we have monetization through anything other than wikipedia style donation drives
I’ve already seen plenty of people advertising their onlyfans here.
I would say that is more spam than ad.
I only use Lemmy though Boost but don’t some instances have ads?
Is it good news?
I see propaganda all over the place on here.
Here, take a fake Internet point.
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that’s amateupaganda
Posts like this are it, even. Hurrdurr we’re so much better circlejerk is grossing me out.
Yeah… but having some pride (warranted or not) is good motivation to help build and maintain things.
Propaganda is an organization disseminating information they want others to believe, whether it be true, false, or the typical tactic, a mix of both.
You pretty much can’t avoid it on social media, the only question is whether the action is direct from the organizations or grassroots support.
Or, it can come from useful idiots repeating the propaganda they read/heard/etc.
We could avoid it if people would stop acting like fucking clowns and parroting every stupid thing they’ve ever read that happens to align with their views.
Honest question. What kind of propaganda are you seeing on Lemmy? Nothing comes to mind.
I mostly see… Linux stuff. And I am not a computer person. Is that propaganda?
On hexbear for example there’s a lot of tankies posting tankie propaganda
Not defending tankies, but do you think people on hexbear are paid to do so, or just have different political views? If your definition of propaganda is posting about your own specific political views, then pretty much everything is propaganda.
I could say that I think FOSS and decentralization are good principles, and that can be considered leftist propaganda.
propaganda /prŏp″ə-găn′də/
noun The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause.
Yep, so I’m right, hexbear is just as much propaganda as, say, News, Worldnews, or any other political instance/community.
Lemmy is very politically active, because to choose lemmy is to reject Reddit. People pick Lemmy over reddit for political reasons, such as preferring FOSS and decentralization, which tend to align far more with leftist beliefs.
Case closed.
Wait wait wait wait wait….
So is it propaganda or not? The second portion of that definition (or is it a whole second definition?) is quite a bit more vague.
Yes, but not in the same sense of “government sponsored bot propaganda,” and in the same sense as News and Worldnews are propaganda.
Hexbear is made up of users that genuinely seem to believe in their ideologies, rather than being sponsored by some state like others have implied.
It is a separate definition. It didn’t copy correctly. I fixed it.
Anyway I would say it constitutes propaganda based off the first definition.
And that’s fine (more or less, I wish people would be more responsible about using sources that frame things objectively rather than ones that are biased towards their opinion) on political communities. It’s annoying on communities that aren’t made for politics.
I’m so sorry you’ve been exposed to political views different from your own, I hope you’ll be able to recover from that one day.
Autocracy is not a legitimate political system
non sequitur is not a legitimate form of argument
Nice Latin, but not relevant here
Tankie is a slang term for autocratic communist
Autocracy is not a legitimate form of government
So autocratic propaganda is not just a “different political stance”
tankie is a term imbeciles use to signal group membership to other imbeciles
I’ve been around since 1959, and back then people were up in arms about the partisan divide in this country and the Vietnam conflict and the oppression of black and other races. Back then, domestic abuse was sort of commonplace, no man could be sent to jail for beating up his kids or his wife. Alcoholism was rampant back then, and drug abuse shot up dramatically. Since then, I’ve seen so much of the same play out over and over. Things have changed somewhat for the better in some ways, but to be honest - there never was a ‘good old time’ when everyone felt happy and equal and safe and protected.
In my experience people who talk about the good old days are white and male.
It was a time when they got their way 100% and everyone else could get fucked.
More likely it was when they were kids and without adult responsibilities, or narrow/whitewashed views of the past(as from stories and shows from before their birth)
I look back at my childhood as the ‘good ole days’ mostly because of the no responsibilities thing. The more I learn about what stuff was really going on in the 90’s/2000s, the more I see there was no good ole days, just times when I was insulated from the harsh realities of the world.
I hold similar views(obviously), but I find something comforting in it. Like, rather than living in a ruined paradise lost by us or our parents, we live in a complicated world where we share the work of trying to make something better with our ancestors.
(Of course, we also have to figure out how to do that, and, in a complicated world, that can be challenging and lead to conflict)
There’s definitely points where things get worse.
9/11 is one of them.
My childhood in the 60s and 70s was idyllic, I have to admit - growing up on a private reserve with mountains all around and having woods around to play and get lost in. I loved it all - but even then I knew about the conflicts going on and how unhappy most adults seemed.
That’s about it. I’m white and male and I’m here to tell you, there never was a ‘good old days’ unless you mean a time when white men could get away with raping and killing a young kid like Emmett Till and could butcher their families and get away with it.
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I’ve been around since the 70s and I mostly agree … but on one point I disagree … the ability of humanity to wipe itself out with a nuclear exchange. Back then, even 20, 30 years ago there were a lot level headed leaders who (although we may have disagreed with them) were less radical and would be less likely to consider launching a nuclear weapon for any reason. Back then, we also had a lot of actual war veterans in the public and in government who understood the nature of war … now there are fewer of them around. Most people including those in government now don’t know what war is any more, other than to see it glorified in history books, movies and pop culture.
So the combination scares me … a society that is complacent to war yet has the weapons to cause world wide destruction if someone disagrees with them.
It didn’t feel like they were stable and would take care of us though, the nuclear drills sure didn’t help. Also, I know a lot of army vets that weren’t drafted but went to school with the army bill. There are people out there that still know that war sucks. Also, the kids now have school shooting drills, they kind of live with the potential of war and some have seen it. There does seem to be an incredible breakdown with the money in politics, no shame and we’re extremely close to having a dictator after they attempted a coup, I’ll give you that.
There is only one way that humanity will finally end - and yes, it will be by nuclear war. And it’s not very far off at all. There is no other way that the fate of humanity can go. There is such a lack of human compassion and empathy and such a desire to cause hurt, it’s just a matter of hours. So don’t think it won’t happen. There’s no other possible outcome for us at this point, none whatsoever (unless an asteroid demolishes us first, that is).
I feel as though there was a “good old days” of the internet. Don’t get me wrong, it was a complete shit show, but it was anonymous, anyone could say anything that they wanted, and there would be few if any consequences. There were ads, but they were generally garbage animated GIFs at worst.
It wasn’t perfect, but we were free to do what we wanted on the internet, with little to no bearing on our daily lives.
Now, it’s almost expected that your online activity will be tied to you specifically. In most cases, your legal name is attached to it for everyone to see. If you try to go around without your legal name on everything, then generally you are either severely limited, or outright removed from the platform. Sigh
That’s true enough. I started working around the time computers were even a thing - back in the 70s and there was no internet, just basic DOS green screens that were very basic. It wasn’t until the mid-90s I even had a computer that had rudimentary internet access - and it was so new, there was only maybe a handful of websites you could find.
There were no cookies or trackers to watch what you were doing online, but then again, there wasn’t anything much to look at anyway - porn wasn’t even there yet.
So I feel we definitely have it both better and worse today. To me, the better outweights the negatives - I mean it’s so much nicer today to just be able to search anything and get a million different answers. But that’s also the downfall of everyone being interconnected - being buried in bullshit much of the time.
and there would be few if any consequences.
Meted out by human beings who had to read the thread in aggravatingly linear order - so they were more likely to say ‘you were being kind of a butthead’ instead of ‘how dare you call anyone a butthead.’
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Yeah, and it’s people arguing about cars, Trump, rich people, work, Linux distros, not pooping, and communism.
We need memes, Spiderman memes
Bring me funny pictures of Spider-Man!
Not pooping? I’m almost afraid to ask, but that’s the only one I’ve not come across yet…
There was an asklemmy post shortly after the exodus asking how to avoid a bowel movement for three days.
I’m almost disappointed this isn’t like that one subreddit where people tried to stick as much Sharpies up their ass as possible. Almost.
Swap Trump for Bush and this is what the early internet was like
Great post. I give you my fake internet point up arrow.
I’ll have you know that the fake internet points are still here and I will continue to use them to determine my worth in the eyes of my peers.
270 karma in 4 months. Cute.
Oddly enough that’s an average of 10 points per comment.
Also I can’t see total up votes in Sync, or I haven’t figured out where that is, so I don’t know if the total karma is correct, but I can see they’ve only made 27 comments in 4 months.
Boost for Lemmy (evolved from Boost for reddit) just continues to call it karma:
Are you sure boost calculates it correctly? I remember some llemming trying to do it earlier but said it wasn’t federated correctly since total karma has been a non-goal for devs.
Don’t know, don’t really care. It’s just fake internet points.
Do me next
34.099 karma in 4 months. Cute.
Me next
2,511 karma in 3 months. Cute.
Is that bad
It’s OK, I guess. My condolences for being stuck in Montana, though.
I moved here willingly. My condolences for your behavior edit: downvote away, I like it here
For what it’s worth, you got my upvote. And I’m happy you’re happy in Montana. But, it’s not Vermont. Just saying.
Only if you look for them. Not really in your face.
Without propaganda ?
Yep they said it lmao
They probably mean advertising, it’s a close word in other languages
That’s the main thing I hate about Lemmyverse is that the zealots and puritans came over too.
They always think you mean someone else when you say “please stop constantly trying to shoehorn your politics into everything”
My dude, everything is politics. Especially things like “I want a free internet” or “I don’t want to be drowning in ads” which is a huge part of the appeal of Lemmy are both DEEPLY political stances.
Actually, I’m going to add something to my last reply.
“not wanting to be drowning in ads” is in no way shape or form a political decision.
If you mean “because adverts are capitalism” then you’re part of the deeply naive problem.
It’s perfectly plausible - because it literally has happened - for people to construct a platform under our system (which is also hybrid anywat) that allows for social media to exist without adverts.
You’re literally the kind of person when I mean when I talk about trying too shoe-horn politics into things when it doesn’t belong.
I see you can’t understand the difference between zealotry and normal discussion.
“I don’t want ro drowning in ads” doesn’t have to mean “but trump is Hitler evil Jews did this blah blah everyone who isn’t of my opinion is a murderer”
*posts Starlight Glimmer with hammer and sickle*
Make the internet nerd again
There is plenty of propaganda on lemmy. You just have to realize you will always be fed propaganda and understand there is propaganda on each side of every issue…
There is incomparably more propaganda here then anywhere else. On reddit politics are kept out of most subs that are not specifically discussing politics, here everyone uses every opportunity to push whatever agenda they happen to have
The thing about this is fuck all Americans to death amirite?
If that’s how I gotta go
The sheer amount of pro palestinian / pro hamas content around here…
That is two very different things. One is a terrorist group, the other are just humans trying to live their lives in safety. Same with Israel. The people are humans trying to live their lives in safety, but Netenyahu is incredibly corrupt and reports show that he is secretly propping up Hamas.
You don’t need elephants to smash ants. The Israeli government has gone too far, full stop. I also hope the hostages are returned home safely and a peaceful solution can be found. Calling out atrocities and war crimes perpetrated against the Palestinian people is not pro-hamas propaganda, it’s the first step in accountability.
This place is heaving with nutters.
This
placeworld is heaving with nutters.Its very concentrated here and it is so often lefty nutters. Or certainly my exposure to it is acute on Lemmy compared to my day to day living.
My main problem with it is anyone who has an opinion on how you(or others) live their life. What the fuck happened to modesty
Sectarian leftist nutters who seem to be extremely overconfident in their amateurish view of philosophy and politics. “The entire world and all of contemporary history is a conspiracy to discredit Lenin” is honestly a pretty shocking view of the world.
For those who can’t be bothered to spend 30 seconds checking if a lemmygrad user is full of shit, this was my response to racism against Koreans (literally calling them dogs), since I know I’d be banned (again) if I was too mean and called a privileged hexbear poster racist directly.
I havent seen a universal agreed definition of propaganda. It seems like anything advokating for something that that person doesnt agree with is propaganda.
its art that is political, what form that takes is up to the content.
I liked the fake internet points, but it definitely leads to karma whoring. So I’ll do without.
You could create a plug in that states your and everybody’s total karma. Karma is one of the worst ideas on the internet. A tool to enforce conformity and obedience
Boost shows you your total karma
I like the absence of cumulative fake internet points. I do think it lends a healthier perspective to the community
Upvoted AND boosted.
take my Extra-Fake Internet Point my friend
Pls god no
Usenet and IRC were the good ole times.
00s internet before corporations colonized it was beautiful. I’m deeply sad that it’s gone but thankful that I got to participate.
Amazon: 1994
eBay: 1995
Match.com: 1995 (same parent company as tinder)
Hotmail: 1996 (MS owned in 1997)
Google: 1998
PayPal: 1998 (eBay owned in 2002)
If you look at the dot com bubble, there’s a lot of corporate colonization in the 90s. Many of them didn’t survive their stock crashing in 2000 (pets.com is a good example). Some things were not able to be launched until the internet infrastructure supported it properly (YouTube, for example), so yes some things do date to the 00s. But largely, by 1998, the internet was already on its current trajectory.
The reason Google was so disruptive at the time was that they didn’t charge websites to get listed – it was a business model that relied on actually finding what people were searching for. The fact that this model was disruptive at the time tells you how corporate it was even by then.
You pretend like they are dead?
Or reddit while Aaron Swartz was still around.
Downloading QWKs from local dial-up BBSs was the good ole times.
Lemmy is just as much an information warfare platform as anything on Reddit. The Israel/Hamas coverage has confirmed that pretty conclusively.
Very true! Here, have a fake Internet point lol
Eh, talking about Isreal/Hamas/Palestine has been a sensitive topic for as long as I can remember. I wouldn’t be surprised if an argument broke out between two Catholics in a church on Sunday if they were talking about it. It’s an extremely devicive issue.
It’s pretty cool, even though it not even 1% of the size of the big social media monopolists
Perhaps because it’s not
