I can’t speak for all of Caucasia but I’m not offended.
I will speak to my fellow caucasians and say, “if you’re offended, lighten the fuck up, honky.”
Doubt you’ll find any who are offended by this
I think the way it works is someone who is not a member of that group tells you it’s offensive
He got it wrong though. The shirt should says “CRACKERS”.
Also not offended by this.
Me either, but it’s actually meant to be offensive whereas Caucasians is just a classification.
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You would be if they had stolen your home and pranced around in a caricature costume of you through the stadium they built after bulldozing your land
Yes, but that’s the point. They didn’t do that to white people, so white people are in no position to be offended. Including me. Which is why I’m not only not offended, but find that highly appropriate.
What is happening when white people are like “I’m not offended by this” is to minimize the offense that native Americans feel about the same thing.
As if to say “I’m not offended, why are they?”
Cracker isn’t an epithet that native Americans have ever used though.
Paleface would be the matching slur to redskin.
That works. I couldn’t think of pale face at the time, but you got my point.
The problem with the football teams is that usually the name of team is the name of a group of ppl that was almost exterminated and their descendants still pay the price and nobody cares while their name is used as something cool. Just using the name should not be that offensive.
Except redskins is offensive. It’s not the name of a group of people, it’s an epithet describing them.
New poll finds 9 in 10 Native Americans aren’t offended by Redskins name
It’s offensive to gen z victim mentality complex people who want to define themselves through misery.
Were you going to show us this poll or were you just going to expect us to believe that quote of yours isn’t one you just made up?
I like to omit the source sometimes just to draw out lazy comments like yours. It really shows that you’re not that interested but just want to argue. It’s the title of an article from one of the most prominent newspapers out there, it’d be the first result if you simply pasted it in Google, but rather than save yourself the embarrassment, you chose this route.
Swing and a miss.
The article is even better than the title.
Among the Native Americans reached over a five-month period ending in April, more than 7 in 10 said they did not feel the word “Redskin” was disrespectful to Indians. An even higher number — 8 in 10 — said they would not be offended if a non-native called them that name.
Sorry, it’s not my job to find out whether or not you’re lying.
When you’re trying to educate yourself that’s exactly your job.
This is not about whether I’m lying or not, it’s about you preferring to stay ignorant, which proves the point that you don’t really care about the subject. If you want to close your eyes and pretend it’s nighttime, then it’s not my job to convince you otherwise.
I can speak for all of Caucasia: no comment
Should go harder IMHO. This ad from the National Congress of American Indians does a good job.
Yeah the only issue here is “Caucasians” is roughly similar in emotional weight to “native Americans.”
Shirt should say like, “crackers” or something
Cracker doesn’t even have enough contextual weight. Whitey is about as heavy as I can think of and even that doesn’t carry much weight for the people it should.
Source: I’m literally whiter than Casper the friendly ghost, and I actually care. The Americans I’m talking about just don’t care.
Even that word has no pull nowadays. I don’t know any white people that are even bothered by it in the least. I am one half Caucasian and I know for sure that it has no affect at all on me. I think it’s a kind of funny word, actually. We need something with more spice to it for sure. Mayo monkies? Snow roaches? Marshmallow minions?
I very much like Mayo Monkies myself lol
Eh… folks from County Mayo might feel unfairly singled out.
I would have thought that if redskins is the settler pejorative for native americans then Paleface (or the like) is the thematic riposte.
Out of curiosity what do you interpret it to mean?
“Whipcrackers,” even
Look, we nerds have taken that term over. It means you’re a digital sabotuer and theft. You invade other people’s space all on the basis that some other asshole promised to handle their safety, became a billionaire and never did jack fucking squat to stop anyone from taking advantage of his backdoor to “your” computer.
That and no one listened to the messiah predicting this and explaining how to really be safe on something that can actually be your computer.
So if it has a Windoze and an Apple on the picture and says exactly that…
The issue is a lot of people would completely fail to get the message and want to buy all three hats.
I’m all for it. I want the mascot to be just a normal guy named “Steve.” It’s just some white guy in a cardigan. His catch phrase is “Hi, I’m Steve, nice to meet you.”
When the players score a touchdown, the fans all chant “Hi, I’m Steve.” The customary celebration is for the player to mime a normal handshake.
Nah it gotta be dave. Everyone knows Dave
Steve is the funnier name though.
Hey whats up im Steve.
How bout Dave Stevenson that way we have both
What kind of rapper name is steve
You mean Dave from accounting? Of course I know Dave!
I think you may have missed the point here
My favorite team is still the Cincinnati Cracker-Asses
I am okay with the rebranded Honky-tonks too.
Whiteskins seems like a more appropriate name
Shouldn’t the shirt say “Red Necks” or anything more offensive?
I read that a more apt metaphore would be a shirt that says Paleface, with a skinny white dude on it. Cause this shirt actually goes hard.
I see ‘paleface’ more as a response to something morbidly shocking versus ID’ing a group of people. Similar, if the original were ‘redface,’ it would be being uncontrollably angry.
Wouldn’t swapping in white to have whiteskins, fit better?
“red necks” is usually referring to a specific lot of folk, whereas the original context (of what this is poking at) “referred” of an entire group of people, so saying “caucasians” is more 1:1.
Wasn’t the team name basically a slur? Wouldn’t something like “crackers” be a better fit?
Ehhhhhhhh idk if it is a slur so more as it is derogatory. Whether or not that makes it a slur maybe is up to your own interpretation. I’ve never heard it used outside of referencing the football team, even having grown up around multiple reservations so idk if it’s really “in use” the same way ‘gypsy’ is for example.
“It’s derogatory but it’s not a slur” sure is a take.
I mean, that’s quite literally not what I said :/ I don’t think anyone really has much business saying those words but what defines derogatory and slur are, as you are showing, highly up to personal interpretation, and two different words to define as such as they can potentially have widely different meanings for the person trying to grasp the topic. I think many people outside of this thread or of an older generation would have a hard, or harder time, parsing why one isn’t okay to say “because it’s always been that way” or whatever. That line that defines a word is entirely a cultural phenomenon that happens “real time”, so maybe instead of saying it’s a hot take and assuming everyone has the same cultural understanding and knowledge as you, maybe elaborate to inform others.
Because, from what it seems, there are people in this thread that don’t quite “get it”.
That’s probably a better way of putting it, but it’s really not for me to say.
I don’t use either words, especially the latter so shrug, just don’t know of a better way to explain it because I think it mainly depends where you’ve grown up in the US (how you view the words).
We all know they’d eat this up.
“the west end crackers”
They would gather a following all to fast
Is it racist for me a white guy to wear this?
I’d be worried people wouldn’t get the joke and think I was some sort of Nazi.
Yeah, that was my thought too.
There are dumb right wingers who would wear it “see theres nothing offensive about this” as opposed to “See how fucking weird this is”
I would wear that shirt
Only sport that team would play is disk golf
I’m in this comment, and yea I’m ok with that and the post
Curling.
Having been a part of a curling club for a few years, it’s more diverse than you might think.
Field hockey, golf, and polo
Hell yeah love me some disk golf
Regular golf is a candidate too
Pickleball and Hacky Sack, depending on age.
Caucasians doesn’t roll off the tongue at all. Need something shorter.
Whiteskins.
Pinkskins fits more of us, but that gets into Enterprise territory.
I’m just glad they didn’t meet Travis Mayweather first…
Peachskins
I’m okay with that.
Tech bros
Crackers
Caucs
Doesn’t get much shorter than a white guy.
Can we do this? I want this team. It’s gotta be full of burly black guys though. They’re clearly better at football. I would start watching football.
Mango is an above average fruit.
No way?!?
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The Indians aren’t Indian either. That’s the joke.
Christian Children’s Fund also gives money to Muslim children.
Why is caucasian used to refer to the white race, isnt that for georgians or something?
Misrepresenting the target group is just an added bonus. It’s like referring to all indigenous people as “indians” - even if they were from India (which they’re not), it’s just taking a blanket term and making them all seem like they’re the same. At least that’s why it’s even funnier in this context.
But generally speaking, when people unironically use the term to refer to all whites, well, that just shows that they don’t really understand the meaning of the term they are using.
Yeah, it’s a term from an outdated racial theory that got into mainstream language. Still keeps weirding me out every time I see it. In Russia where I grew up, actual people from Caucasus region are still often treated and portrayed in media as “black” for being generally slightly darker than slavs. It’s disgusting. But, the populations in Caucasus region are actually very diverse. Like, for example, just talking about the skin color, the Azerbaijanis are generally fairly tan, but then quite a few of them are whiter than snow, and that’s the diversity within just one ethnic group of which there are few dozens. So I find it just as weird to call white people Caucasian (and people of Caucasus just “white”) as it’d be calling them Romanis or Tuaregs (or Jews) for how meaningless that’d be.
Why are they referred to as the white race?
Idk, looked at wikipedia, Like why is a whole big race reffered as caucasian
That guy (and likely his entire extended family) gets it.
I wanted to support the team, but they’re so damn unathletic.
Maybe it’s an ice hockey team
Most certainly can’t jump.
They could on 9/11, heyo!
