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Most people living under socialism had little understanding of capitalism in practice. Workers interviewed in Poland believed that if their factory were to be closed down in the transition to the free market, “the state will find us some other work” (New Y orker, 1 1/13/89). In the Soviet Union, many who argued for privatization also expected the government to continue providing them with collective benefits and subsidies. One skeptical farmer got it right: “Some people want to be capitalists for themselves, but expect socialism to keep serving them” (Guardian, 10/23/91 ).
Reality sometimes hit home. In 1990, during the glasnost period, when the Soviet government announced that the price of newsprint would be raised 300 percent to make it commensurate with its actual cost, the new procapitalist publications complained bitterly. They were angry that state socialism would no longer subsidize their denunciations of state socialism. They were being subjected to the same free-market realities they so enthusiastically advocated for everyone else, and they did not like it.
—Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds, pg 73 (Communism in Wonderland; Romanticizing Capitalism)
History repeats itself here in this moment. The strategy employed by the capitalist is both the same now as it was then. A people so unaware of what they have, so eager to have nothing at all.
This just shows that proper education about the way capitalism fucks you over is as important as flashy anti-capitalist slogans and propaganda. Otherwise you get a lot of people who think jeans will solve their woes
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“My abortion is special, God wants ME to kill my baby!!!?” - conservatives
Another unsuspecting face, devoured by leopards.
Let me tell you how free college educated “progressive” libs (who own capital) are reacting to this news:
Lib: - Well it’s not that bad cuz they won’t be charged much anyways
Me: They are a very small minority, the cost of teaching them it’s the same. It should remain free for all, no exceptions.
Lib: Well but I can’t go to their countries and study for free, it should be reciprocous
Me: Who cares? It’s the same charging them than not, and they are opening the door to charge money to all of us
Lib: Well I would have been able to pay some amount. Plus we used to voluntary pay some small money for student lab material, but then it was outlawed and so the students labs pipettes fell in disrepair.
Me: regardless of amount the university should have payed it
Lib: Well but foreigners who come study here, their taxes don’t cover their education.
Me: I already told you teaching such small number costs the same as not teaching them. Plus you are opening the door to everyone getting charged. If we’d had to pay the price of a degree in (for example) Colombia, we both won’t be laureates.
Lib: Well we could have payed something, plus my college partners spent a lot in booze and parties. Plus there’s no money so anything would help and it should be reciprocous at least.
Repeat the loop, again and again.
You see, no one can have nice things because I wasted money on treats.
I get nice things though (treats).
How do we shake out these individualist brainworms? I see variations of this argument ALL the time: “A few people in group X are bad/irresponsible/not-like-me so no one can have the nice thing”
I don’t think it is possible most of the time, they’re a lost cause. Individualism in the west is not just a personality trait but extremely tied to cultural behaviour and identity, rejecting individualism is often seen as attacking western/American values of freedom and autonomy.
Maybe it is possible in the rare cases this person happens to be a hypocrite and they happen to have benefitted from some form of government program or maybe they have some personal aspiration that could be fulfilled through some government plan but they don’t realize it due to misinformation.
I think a simple example was the Bernie campaign for healthcare and meeting people that still believed their insurance costs would be higher or their service quality would be worst somehow. At the very least you have to make sure they don’t have these false beliefs as part of the foundation.
But as I said imo American individualism is so tied to culture that nothing short of massive government re-education through a revolution would change anything. It is a lost cause really. The most you can hope for is these people are not the majority because eventualy they’ll become hypocrites themselves, material conditions etc eventually everyone will desire something and if that can be provided by society then it can be the start.
I often tell people the protestant mindset of the American population will never be killed. Work will always make the “man” and if a “man” does not work “he” does not eat is a fundamental part of that.
It’s absolutely the majority. It’s everywhere and so encompassing that I really don’t feel like I fit in here. And now I’m depressed 😞
It’s pointless to have a discussion with someone who has no stake in the outcome.
This guy did. But random American assholes do not.
I’ve found it’s easier to just deride the idea generally. “Milei deporting all his biggest supporters. No wonder libertarianism doesn’t work.”
And leave it at that.
I’m argentinian
trappedliving here and I was arguing with another argentinian living here.Well, then… woof.
Yiff, even
And the escuse they used over in the states against free education - but you’d be subsidizing the rich!
My brother, the rich don’t send their kids to public college because they want the luxury of having a prestigious private “I’m rich, bitch” title for their nepo baby. It won’t be a problem.
Well how do you know!Have you seen your idol
? Have you looked at the executive and political class all from Harvard and Yale? They aren’t going to give a fuck about a public university degree.
Says you! You don’t care for the poor!They do be using it here too “those rich brats living in apartments paid by their parents could easily pay for their free college” [the ones who don’t go to the Catholic Universities (aka the only prestige private universities outside of Buenos Aires City) cuz they petty burshwá not rich ]
Normies when they get exactly what they wanted.
Dumbass. Now learn from this next time.
Him:
The guy is young enough he actually might. One can hope.
The socialists made Milei do it
Womp
And this can’t be understated:
Womp
Lol. Lmao, even.
There should be up updated Gadsten style libertarian flag that’s a leopard lunging at the person looking at the flag like its going to eat their face.
At Least its not da gobermint
I thought the snake in the S&M and ball gag image worked well enough
The libertarian snake eating it’s own ass
I quite like the “I don’t understand taxes” one
Oh yeah, i do like the “step on me daddy” flag
This reminds of a talk by the old US Trot ISO party. It was during the Libya crisis, a Libyan American college student was giving the talk, they were pro Western backed Rebels and getting rid of Gaddafi. During the talk she mentions that her parents were able to study in the USA because of Libyan social programs under Gadaffi. Is Libya a functioning state anymore? Last big news story from Libya was the disastrous flood that killed at least 11,300 people.
Poor kid.
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you’re joking right? this is extremely funny
I mean, he did get exactly what he asked for then acted all shocked and regretful, but that’s still a human being that has been denied access to higher education. This might actually be life ruining for them
I agree with you, he may have helped encourage Milei’s election but many people have ridiculous views especially at that age, we’re all being scammed by people like Milei everyday. At least he is young enough that he still has time to continue education maybe in a different country or if Argentina reverses these policies.
If Milei himself or other people closer to the origin of these bullshit views suffered some consequences I’d be more inclined to laugh but I don’t feel much joy when young people get things fucked for them, even if they are idiots, I know when I was 20 there were beliefs I had that I now see are obviously false.
that’s still a human being that has been denied access to higher education
I mean, what kind of education was he even receiving, of he thought Milei was going to benefit him?
Unfortunate to see all these kids get rug-pulled. But these institutions are producing the agents of their own demise. This guy is probably better of getting proletariatanized than finishing out a degree in PMC U.
I mean, what kind of education was he even receiving, of he thought Milei was going to benefit him?
The vast majority of education is not explicitly political. This is part of how you get educated people with all sorts of ludicrous political beliefs.
I like it when bad things happen to bad people. there’s a lot of pain in the world, someone fucking around and finding out is not on my list people to care about 🤷
Have some Civility 😔
Be more respectful man, this student clearly had no idea that leopards would be eating his face.
He will be now.
Edit Oh shit this is a Venezuelan gusano screwing around in another nation’s election?
