Looks like another bright sunshiny day to be a Canadian, ey? Especially if you're a Canadian porch pirate, because apparently the authorities are on your side when you get caught red handed with that Amazon box in your hands.
Remember when Redditors tracked down the Boston Marathon Bomber? They convinced a whole bunch of people a random guy was a terrorist. Even if the person is guilty, police don’t want lynch mobs trying to track down criminals to deliver vigilante justice.
The officer’s request is reasonable. If you film someone committing a crime, give the evidence to police. They’re the ones who will investigate and charge the suspect who will have their chance to defend themselves in court and have a judge decide on punishment. Posting videos and photos online isn’t how to go about it.
Something similar happened in my own city. Someone spraypainted a war memorial and the local newspaper posted a story about it. A whole bunch of people in the comments got fired up over it. Local police spent more time investigating the grown adults who posted death threats online than catching the teenager who did it. There’s a reason why courts issue punishments and not the comment section.
No idea if it’s similar to our situation, but here in Flanders it’s illegal to post images of people in the act of committing a crime, since they get the same identity protections as anyone else (innocent until officially convicted etc). So that means we’ve had several situations where store owners who were robbed still posted the images, hoping to recoup some losses or find the perpetrators, only to have to pay fines on top of their losses because they “broke the law” by outing thieves.
Don’t even think about trying to defend yourself or your possessions, though; any force used MUST be in proportion to the threat. That means you HAVE to let people who’ve robbed you, and are no longer actively threatening you, go. Several people (mostly jewellers) are in prison because they unloaded a hunting rifle into the backs of fleeing thieves.
Personally, I think there should be some kind of golden middle road between the EU/Canada and USA situations…
I stand by every word. I just don’t think I’m going to convince any conservative morons. Furthermore, I don’t want to contribute to the growth of this very very sad community. It’s embarrassing how poorly the posts do.
I find I tend to give more leeway to those who have posted here before in good faith. Eli fits that bill, as does you. I don’t think Derek has ever posted here before (correct me if I’m wrong), and his first comment (that he didn’t delete) was calling us morons.
You know how you said you were interested in how this community would develop? Well, I think I’ve started learning how to be a decent mod. I’ve learned from users like TJD and Karo. If they start out being uncivil, they’ll probably continue being uncivil.
Try that in Arkansas has stand your ground law the will get shot happened a week ago home owner shot a package thief and cops said it was lawful by the home owner.
…? I think the idea is the internet might misidentify an innocent person as the thief, not that the person obviously committing the crime is innocent
Remember when Redditors tracked down the Boston Marathon Bomber? They convinced a whole bunch of people a random guy was a terrorist. Even if the person is guilty, police don’t want lynch mobs trying to track down criminals to deliver vigilante justice.
The officer’s request is reasonable. If you film someone committing a crime, give the evidence to police. They’re the ones who will investigate and charge the suspect who will have their chance to defend themselves in court and have a judge decide on punishment. Posting videos and photos online isn’t how to go about it.
Something similar happened in my own city. Someone spraypainted a war memorial and the local newspaper posted a story about it. A whole bunch of people in the comments got fired up over it. Local police spent more time investigating the grown adults who posted death threats online than catching the teenager who did it. There’s a reason why courts issue punishments and not the comment section.
We did it reddit!
No idea if it’s similar to our situation, but here in Flanders it’s illegal to post images of people in the act of committing a crime, since they get the same identity protections as anyone else (innocent until officially convicted etc). So that means we’ve had several situations where store owners who were robbed still posted the images, hoping to recoup some losses or find the perpetrators, only to have to pay fines on top of their losses because they “broke the law” by outing thieves.
Don’t even think about trying to defend yourself or your possessions, though; any force used MUST be in proportion to the threat. That means you HAVE to let people who’ve robbed you, and are no longer actively threatening you, go. Several people (mostly jewellers) are in prison because they unloaded a hunting rifle into the backs of fleeing thieves.
Personally, I think there should be some kind of golden middle road between the EU/Canada and USA situations…
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Too much of a coward to stand by your tough talk, Derek?
I stand by every word. I just don’t think I’m going to convince any conservative morons. Furthermore, I don’t want to contribute to the growth of this very very sad community. It’s embarrassing how poorly the posts do.
The posts “do poorly” because brigadiers are mass downvoting them.
Maybe the brigaders vote this way because they think the posts aren’t welcome here. You should not tolerate the intolerance, after all.
I’m quite glad to see it.
Differing opinions are valued here. Trolls are not.
If someone is acting in good faith, I look forward to the conversation. They might be surprised how much we agree on.
Exactly the same thought. No notes. If this community is civil, posts will do well.
I would appreciate it if you kept it civil. If you don’t wish to contribute, then please, don’t.
But I do wish to contribute. :)
How is it that calling somebody a coward is considered civil, but calling a group a bunch of morons not?
I find I tend to give more leeway to those who have posted here before in good faith. Eli fits that bill, as does you. I don’t think Derek has ever posted here before (correct me if I’m wrong), and his first comment (that he didn’t delete) was calling us morons.
You know how you said you were interested in how this community would develop? Well, I think I’ve started learning how to be a decent mod. I’ve learned from users like TJD and Karo. If they start out being uncivil, they’ll probably continue being uncivil.
Selectively applying the rules is a recipe for disaster.
How are you certain it’s cowardice and not a case of “fuck it, it isn’t worth the effort of arguing”?
That was indeed part of it. What can you do if people want to pull up deleted comments and spread hate?
Try that in Arkansas has stand your ground law the will get shot happened a week ago home owner shot a package thief and cops said it was lawful by the home owner.
Lmao leave it to Europe to punish the victims of crime for not being nice enough to the criminals. Fucking shithole, glad I’m not there.