It’s just so peak 
Uncritical support to the Fremen Jihad in their heroic struggle against the illegitimate cracker empire
You must log in or register to comment.
damn islam sounds so cool i wish it were real
Uncritical support to the Fremen Jihad
The rest of the Dune series would like a word with you.
Another Harkkkonen down, unlimited jihad on the outer worlds
I don’t get what “atmosphere” Dune has. I’m happy you can enjoy it. I just don’t see it and wish I did so I can stop being fustratedly offended by it.mini rant so it doesn't take up much space.
There is no world. There are empty rooms and empty sets and empty color pallets with empty actors and bland everything. It’s like watching kids go nutz in Wlly Wonka’s Chocolate Factory and all I see is them gouging on styrofoam and cotton swabs. … it is just Charlemet?
It’s like you all are like
and I’m like 
And every Dune-gasm post makes me just
. It isn’t just 
either. Just everywhere gushing over…I don’t get it. It triggers me in the oddest way. Like offends me. Is there some in joke that everyone is supposed to have going in?Is it the 3 seashells?
Colonalism bad.
ok and … at least have some heart and soul in the messsge. I can do black and white films. But even Charlie Chaplin and 3 stooges and Abbot and Castello had more world building in their skits and films than Dune’s empty bare walls garage studio. At least build a world and not…this bleached bones nothingness. I know I should just look over these posts and move on but it’s fustrating, i’m trying to see what you all see but 
all I see is an afront to the art of cinema.
Yes!
Its an adaotation of a book thats mostly dialogue and monologue. Yet the director has some silly fixation against those things. Wich рrobably wouldnt be that bad. Exeрt all the visuals are boring. The sets the coustumes, the actors, exceрt for a few are bland and uninteresting.
Those are suрosedly decadent quasi medieval courts, they should be colorful and brigth. Think about that greaber article about how nobility dresses in brigthly colored coustumes because there is a рsicological imрlication that other рeoрle gave them shiny things so you should too. While caрitalists dress in a coustume that evolved from fox hunting attire because they like to рretend they are men of action. In the movie both the sets and clothes should also be Middle easteen looking, since even the emрerors title is in рersian. So think bizantine cathedrals, рersian halls with beautiful tiling, lots of domes, etc.
Why is a desert рlanet so dark?
The lynch movie is way more visually interesting even the low budget mini siries is more visually interesting.
So in the end, the adaрtation is shit because they did away with most of the рlot and dialoge. They also witewashed most arabic and рersian words. And made the рlot more racist.
And it looks like shit because of their limited imaginations.
The рroblem with dune is the same рroblem with gambo. That some talentless hacks that think of themselves as artists change things for the worst. Exeрt unlike gambo the source material is good.
Hidden because this is a direct response to your spoiler
If it makes you feel any better, I think all of the things that seem to make the movies great are all aesthetic and are tangential to what’s truly good about the books; and so I don’t particularly care for the movies either. I’ve always contended Dune is unfilmable.
I’m doing a really bad job of taking-restraint
I’m right there with you. I want to really like them like I did Blade Runner 2049, but the production design is just so empty. The completely bare set dressing of the sketch is unforgivable.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. Some of the omissions from the book had me wandering if the story made sense to people who haven’t read the book. My one critic is I don’t like the Feyd Rautha redention, in the books he’s sort of the anti-paul but in the movie he’s just kinda evil and gross.
I didn’t really like the film but I’m glad other people did, it’s nice to enjoy things
I did however enjoy the 2 seconds of the film where Anya Taylor Joy shows up, looks directly into the camera and says “I love you”, wish I could have experienced that in IMAX
Similar to Avatar 2, people can have pretty legitimate complaints about white savior tropes and whatnot but it’s kind of trumped by the movies just being fucking awesome. Like, yeah it’s a bit problematic but their hearts are in the right place and it’s a visual feast
Isn’t Dune much better in this regard because Paul ends up being far from a savior? The story is pretty aware of the trope and even plays into it by making him humble and try to shy away from the white savior role, but if anything by the end of the second movie it shows that there’s a problem with making your national liberation movement revolve around a noble foreigner who has an ulterior motive. I haven’t read the books so I don’t know exactly where the story goes so maybe you’re right in the end.
It does, but then that narrative cuts against the Fremen being the good guys, which they absolutely are. Herbert attempts to subvert the white savior trope by going “well akshually the white savior could lose control and the religious crazies will be even worse than the evil imperialist empire” which is where the problematic part comes in in Messiah.
The story is actually more anti-imperialist if we accept the white savior trope and accept Paul as a good guy, cause otherwise we have to accept Herbert’s reactionary narrative that de-colonial movements are bad and go too far and might be worse than colonialists. That well intentioned and noble movements are easily coopted and used towards nefarious ends. This is the Liberal view of communism, that the stupid masses get manipulated into doing the will of the leader that has little to do with the goals of the movement. Making the Muslim stand-ins dumb and impressionable is pretty sus.
Basically Herbert put us in a double bind where either way it’s problematic, because he is fundamentally a liberal and has that Liberal brainworm where there can never be a justified liberationist good guy that improves the world. Any attempt to change anything makes everything worse.
The timing of Dune 2 and the visuals of an Islam-coded guerrilla force in the desert destroying technological imperialists has lead to a lot of its appeal, people love seeing these evil scumbags getting blown up and eaten by worms. People associated that with Palestine vs. Israel and thus really connect with Paul’s Fremen plot line.
That’s going to get real awkward in Messiah where the plot is basically “the Muslims got out of control and went too far and killed billions, and in fact the Israel stand-ins were the lesser evil”
I don’t think Herbert was making the point that decolonial movements are bad. Going on a galactic killing spree isn’t decolonizing. Liet Keynes was the environmentalist decolonialist. Paul however was another imperialist.
If you read the books its clear Herbert is a die hard historical materialist. Paul and Leto II will literally give lectures on it.
Well that’s why the whole series falls apart for me personally after the first book, because it doesn’t make any sense how the Fremen from one planet could overpower the entire galaxy - especially considering most of the fighting is no longer in deserts but in space or on other planets. The population from one desert planet could never defeat the entire galaxy.
The Fremen invading everywhere else makes no sense from their perspective, they just wanted Arakkis back, or from a realistic strategic perspective. It reads to me like Herbert got upset that people liked Paul so much after first book so he laid it on really thick that he’s space Hitler and killed billions and invaded everywhere - despite that not making any sense. He contrived the plot device that the scary Muslim hordes killed a hundred billion (sound familiar to any anti-communist propaganda you may have heard?) to own his readers. It doesn’t make any sense within universe, it was a meta device.
White people’s boogeyman fears of decolonial movements are that they will invade everywhere and kill everyone in bloody revenge, which almost never happens in reality but it’s what Herbert made his Muslim stand-ins do. You are right that jihad against the entire universe isn’t decolonial, but it is the white reactionary’s idea of what a decolonial movement is
I guess an argument that could be made on Fremen being able to solo multiple planets is how with Herbert’s eugenics fascination, the Fremen by all accounts were the apex of humanity from years of harsh Darwinian experiences. They survived planetwide pograms and genocides on several planets for settling down on a rather unforgiving place.
Ok but how does that have anything to do with space battles? Fremen have no advantage in space warfare, no spaceship manufacturing capabilities, no ability to create nuclear weapons at scale and generally should have lost immediately to a gigantic imperial navy when they abandoned their home base and spread themselves thin in a logistics nightmare across the galaxy
As far as I recall, this is all handled by Frank Herbert never explaining literally anything at all about their space battles
What space battles? What logistics nightmares? Paul usurps the imperial throne from Shaddam IV. The empire, its holdings, the monopolistic agreement with the spacing guild as well as control over significant CHOAM shares are all his by the end of Dune as universal monarch.
It was so awesome, I saw it twice in theaters. Its version of Giedi Prime was incredible. And the flying soldiers in the beginning were so alien… I wish they made epic sci-fi blockbusters like this more frequently.
If the 3rd Dune Movie is as good as Dune Part 2 it might become my favourite movie trilogy of all time.
