Cop: Pardon me sir…
Shooter: Points gun
Cop: Ah, I see you’re a busy white man, Ill leave you to it.
Are you willing to get shot for Trump?
Only if it means one of my bones deflects the bullet into him.
The hero we needed but truly don’t deserve
If you’re a cop you should be willing to take a bullet for any citizen. If you’re not, find a better job.
That’s not a requirement for their job though.
Which is a massive problem.
The requirement is to put the bullets in others, apparently.
And defend the private propriety of the means of production
Even a felon?
any citizen
I could not have been more clear. If you think a felon’s life doesn’t matter kindly block me.
That’s really not a cop’s job.
Super touchy around here, yeesh.
Pretty sure it’s well established lore that the current “job” of American police has nothing to do with protecting citizens. My opinion is that it should be.
I agree, but even so if it’s me or Trump, fuckin’ have at ‘er bud.
It wasn’t the felon who died in the end
Pretty sure shooting at people is a felony so
They don’t mean the shooter, they mean the bystander who died. There where two others hit also. The one who died was a firefighter.
He probably assumed he knew the guy from a Patriot Front march and didn’t realize who the intended target would be.
Brooklyn 99 lol
to be fair if I was on a ladder and got to the top and there was a dude pointing a gun at me, I could be the most elite warrior there is and still know the best option is retreat.
Yea, I’m not sure how this cop getting domed before the dude turned back around and fired at Trump would have helped the situation…
I mean, the SS hearing that shot and pivoting that way may have saved Trumps life if the shooter were competent but that’s not the scenario that happened.
But what cop wants to be the guy domed so maybe the SS saves a fascist
I would say the cop startling the shooter and making him rush probably saved Trump’s life
I would agree that’s a fair assessment yea, if the shooter had been given time to setup and aim without interruption he probably could’ve hit trump 2/3 times instead of just launching shots in the general vicinity as quick as possible
In medieval times and before, people who went up first on the ladders during an assault either got a huge reward or the right to carry off whatever they found. Fighting up a ladder with no one friendly at the top is hugely dangerous.
Blood sports and spoils would hugely improve polite discourse around any subject IMO.
So, after this incident with Trump, does anybody really think the best solution to political violence is to allow more people at political rallies to carry guns? Sounds stupid, right? Because thats basically the response with every other shooting.
Wasn’t the shooter stopped by people with guns? Sounds like Repub gun regulations working as they’re supposed to.
No no, don’t downvote this comment people. I too, think more guns should be allowed at Republican rallies. Everyone should be armed there in fact. Then it’ll be less suspicious when someone with a rifle climbs a roof in the future.
A sniper that’s hired to shoot active threats is a bit different from a rally-goer with a .22 who target shoots once a month.
I think most rally-goers will be carrying 9mm.
You apologists are fucking cowards. ACAB!
They should do better but that doesn’t mean we don’t need law enforcement.
law enforcement doesn’t require the police
It doesn’t require the current police force with its terrible ideals but an armed force ready to respond to violent incidents is needed still.
Even the comparatively golden utopia of European cities have soldiers carrying MP5s/famas/etc on the street for security
Police is law enforcement.
How is it law enforcement to show up hours after a crime and refuse to file a report?
I don’t know, but as a citizen you collect evidence & file a complaint. Refusing to take a report of a crime is certainly an issue that should be reported. As citizens we have to hold police accountable & try to vote for people that will help hold them accountable and create systems to ensure that issues are dealt with.
Filing complaints is a good way to become a target of a gang that is shielded from any legal repercussions.
I’m voting as hard as I can but the country is both gerrymandered to fuck and has allowed unlimited funding from wealthy interests (both foreign and domestic) to run whatever propaganda they want. The last time the vote went big in favor of sanity was 2008, even then we still had shitheads like Lieberman preventing real progress.
police are the bottom tier of law enforcement AND they don’t even have to know the laws when they are FORCING you to comply
ask anyone with any experience in the other tiers of law enforcement and you might get a good idea of what law enforcement is
I acknowledge a majority of police are blatantly in a position to do as thy will without any repercussions. There are a lot of bad judges too. I am not a fan of the issues, but we also have good judges and good cops, and places where the system is working as intended (for the most part). I have a hard time believing that getting rid of all law enforcement would be a good thing. I know there are people that like this concept, but there are gangs and groups of people that just want power themselves and to enforce their own concept of judgement and control without repercussions.
the police is not all law enforcement
police are a modern creation. civilized society can exist without the police. In the USA, police weren’t even a thing until 1838
What do you propose then. It is easy to say ACAB & defund the police. I’ve heard the same from drug dealers and people that I don’t trust to protect and serve. If you have a proposal then send it to your representatives or run for office and try to get it implemented.
prove it.
I don’t know where you live, but visiting your courthouse, watching trials and seeing the evidence and crimes people do in your area can be eye opening too. You have to ask yourself… without police, would there be more crime? Some places the answer may be no. I get that. Where I live, crime would be much more rampant.
Should have rambo’d the shooter from the ladder like a true patriot to save that rapist felon. If you think about it, the cop probably actually did save him because the shooter had to rush to take the shot immediately after and didn’t have time to aim properly.
Considering the circumstances I’d argue he’s one of the few cops to protect and serve. Really the secret service here who dropped the ball. Coulda let em have a second go.
Local police shouldn’t be the ones protecting the presenditial candidates, they should be protecting the crowd. Secret Service is there for the candidate.
Alright, so what did this cop do to protect the crowd? I do believe at least once person in the crowd died.
He investigated the report that there was a shooter on the roof?
“Yeah turns out that report was spot on! Anyway, where the donuts at?”
And if the report above is correct, he saw a person with a gun, tucked his tail between his legs and ran.
In this thread we have heard “no big deal, it’s the Secret Service’s job to protect Trump.” We have also heard “it’s local police’s job to protect the crowd.”
Perchance did you see the Secret Service’s response to gun shots? A half dozen of them ran into the line of fire and surrounded the person they were charged to protect.
The cop saw a gun, knew there were hundreds of people in harm’s way and scarpered. While the secret service put themselves in harms way to do their jobs.
“retreated down the ladder” is all the information we have to go on - presumably the cop was still climbing the ladder - really hard to draw your sidearm and incapacitate someone who has a rifle trained on you while simultaneously holding on to a ladder
I hate ladders! In fact they terrify me. While others in this world are graceful and coordinated, I most certainly am not, so every time I’m on a ladder my brain insists on telling me all the things that my awkwardness might cause to happen.
That said, this past Saturday I was on a ladder. While on that ladder I managed to a) hold a nail against the wall and b) hammer said nail into the wall. That took two hands. Drawing a weapon takes one.
a) hold a nail against the wall and b) hammer said nail into the wall. That took two hands. Drawing a weapon takes one.
Cool, I’m sure you also managed to hammer that nail in faster than the reaction time of the hypothetical assailant with a gun pointed at your head too, right?
Someone halfway up a ladder wouldn’t have even have a clean draw in that scenario without needing to ascend 2-3 more rungs to get their torso over the lip of the roof
Why are you arguing with morons who don’t know the first thing about guns in an online community where likely less than 1% own one, let alone know how to handle one safely?
You are literally arguing with people here who have the equivalent knowledge similar to toddlers in regards to firearms.
Likely bjorney@lemmy.ca doesn’t know about firearms nor owns one and is simply armchair arguing about something they know nothing about.
I think local police are assigned to these events to augment SS in protecting whoever they are protecting.
Bingo. They are not there have a good time. The event paid for police presence for the permit to hold the event and likely required by many laws on crowd size and insurance policy.
One officer climbed to the roof and encountered Crooks, who pointed his rifle at the officer. The officer retreated down the ladder
“only pointing at a cop” is how you know it wasn’t a leftist or anarchist.
Go on, spell it out
It implies respect for cops. That’s something the right or conservatives are into.
If he’d shot the cop he would’ve lost his chance to shoot Trump, I don’t think that implies he’s a “cop lover”
That doesn’t make sense for a successful assassination attempt, it would have alerted the SS.
This seems to be the right-wing’s main angle of attack on this issue. Seeing how forcefully they’re pushing this fact across social media I’m kind of resistant to going along with any narrative they are trying to build from it until more facts come out.
I saw the interview with the guy who said he saw the shooter and he came off as kind of a doofus, he more or less said the extent they went to alert anyone was just pointing. You’ve got to remember that this was a rally for some deeply stupid people, I’m sure it adds to the security difficulties to have to suss out what’s just idiots being idiots and what is useful info.
I think the reality is more simple; people overestimate the abilities of the Secret Service. I am sure they’re experts and highly trained, but they’re still human, and the mythos around their abilities is likely overblown to an extent. History has shown that if someone is determined enough, they can get close to the president if they want.
“Eh fuck it, let him roll them dice”
– this cop, probably
Officer was actually based. “I don’t see nothing wrong here, carry on citizen”
Are you advocating for murdering political opponents? Sounds like fascism.
I guess only if you’d consider the founders of the US fascist. if one really, truly believes that Trump is really, truly the end of the Republic and the start of a regime of Christian fascism, isn’t this the whole reason the founders gave us the second amendment? Sic semper tyrannis, the tree of liberty must be watered and all that?
Imho, it’s a moot point, the Republic is already dead, the people behind P2025 and the support network behind the Christian Fascism movement aren’t going to simply vanish in a puff of smoke if Trump loses or something happens to him. They’ll just pick someone else and keep coming back until they get the levers of government. I don’t think political violence changes anything except how we shamble into fascism.
If Christians are the reason fascism is winning, shouldn’t the Democrats be proposing legislation to tax the church and to label Christianity a domestic terrorist organization? I’m of the belief fascism is actually a minority position, but that Democrats put their worst candidate forward and then try to argue that you’re not voting for the candidate but against fascism. It might be a winning strategy, one time. This is not the first time though.
Democrats should label the church a terror organisation.
Lmao that’s maybe the worse thing they could possibly do. Might as well push a bill to ban all firearms and make it so all kids have to be trans.
All rights are won through violence, child.
That is if you believe the only time we gained rights was the civil war.
You’ve heard of race riots? How about labor / union riots? I’m not saying the same thing as the user you responded to - not ALL rights are won through violence certainly, but there have been rights secured since the civil war in the US through violence. So it’s more complex than “no rights since the civil war”
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Is this what they refer to as BlueAnon?
No those are crayon eating morons.
That’s pretty good
All of these comments saying it’s a false flag and staged feel like pure copium
Unfortunately
At the end of the day the real issue is Biden is not polling well. Now is the perfect time for Biden to step aside. It would change the news cycle and get people energized into the final stretch.
Tbh, after reading the link, I don’t blame anyone with a rifle pointed at them to climb back down, cop or no. The whole situation was handled so poorly tho and is 100% going to increase voilent tensions.
Fair, but you have a team ready to shoot at anything at a drop of a hat. Find a way to contact them.
But US cops aren’t chosen for their critical thinking.
You can’t help a situation if you’re dead.
Tactical retreat and getting backup/informing the secret service sniper team was a better play, and safer.
I assume that the message simply took too long to make it through all the interdepartmental channels, and he was able to get shots off.
Realistically, WTF was the cop supposed to do? If he proceeded forward, he’d probably get shot. Without checking in to dispatch to report the presence of the shooter and that he was on scene in the company of a guy with a rifle, then dispatch would have been very slow to respond, if they responded at all.
Talk to the guy? He’s clearly deadset on doing something. You don’t climb on a roof with a rifle without a plan and the will to execute that plan. Talking to him is going to either agitate him or just get the officer shot… The chances that the cop could have talked him down, even if the Leo had expert negotiation training, is slim at best.
The standard carry equipment for a police officer is pretty limited. It’s not like he has grenades or something, and don’t forget, at this point he’s on a fucking ladder with a rifle pointed at his dome at point blank range. Calling for someone with the correct equipment and training to get onto the roof to handle the guy, with the correct equipment to do so, and/or, have a fully trained sharpshooter that’s already positioned nearby take that shot, is a better way to handle the situation.
Look, I’m not going to defend the police about what happened at Uvalde, or any other school shooting, but in this scenario, given the options, falling back to call reinforcements was the right call.
Maybe this is poorly described and the shooter literally turned and shot as the cop ducked back down the ladder… but that cop should’ve been on radio or firing his sidearm into the dirt or SOMETHING immediately after going back down a step or two. But this reads like he just went back down and wandered off.
They could head off a lot of questions by saying he went down a step and radioed immediately so people think the cop at least tried lol
The cop had already lost, the shooter had the high ground!
Seriously though, he was on a ladder - all of your limbs are dedicated to keeping you on the ladder. You have to get off the ladder before you can do anything else, so you either go up the ladder probably getting shot multiple times before you can get to your gun or radio, or go down the ladder where you’re not in the line of fire to call for backup, draw your gun, or whatever.
Not really, I’m on a ladder for hours a day frequently, like multiple times a month. You are only required 3 points of contact for OSHA compliance and pretty sure cops can ignore that. If you can’t grab the radio attached to your chest with one hand while on a ladder with three other contacts then you have no business being a cop lol
I agree that you can get one hand free while on a ladder, but I’m still going to duck first if someone is pointing a gun at me
Fully agreed, I’m just saying a cop who passed the annual fitness exam should be able to duck down a step and radio an alert pretty damn quick.
I’m still betting $10 that the shooter turned and threw lead without really aiming since he knew he was compromised.
I just think the journalists are wording this extremely poorly
I agree with the poor wording, “retreat” makes it sound he ran away.
Another issue is the Secret Service were probably on their own radio channels and not with the local police. When there’s interagency things like this, there’s usually a command center where they have the leaders of each group staged so they can relay things between the teams, but not direct communication between Deputy Bobby who sees the gunman and Agent Spike on the stage. Plenty of time to get off shots before the warning is heard by the people who need to hear it.
That would be super dumb. There should be some operator that relevant info is passed to either channel.
Ha OSHA
If you work on a ladder, you’ve survived with one and told nobody.
Oh yeah, one foot on ladder, other foot on top of something tall (if anything), hands on whatever you’re working on partially holding you up
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