Got news for you, their not protecting us from Tik Tok either.
I think the funniest thing that happens if Trump wins is everyone is all the journalists being forced to make truth social accounts. Then they can ask the worlds oldest president to clarify his new ban on cat ladies and trans people.
If he does win, he will be removed within 2 weeks after inauguration if not sooner. Trump is losing his marbles fast to dementia. Anybody who votes for Trump better love Vance.
They aren’t protecting you. They are protecting themselves from what you may give their enemies. Don’t think just because the federal government is doing something “for the people” that nominally it’s not about the government itself. National security is literally the government protecting itself by protecting its citizens.
Pretty much this! Also it is much easier and cheaper to tell Google to stop offering tiktok in their app store then it is to build affordable housing where it is needed…
Yea but where? There’s a push for it in my state. Drove past a new area that will be a neighborhood of cookie cutter SFH, probably with driveways too short to contain full size vehicles. And they’ll cost more than half a million so I’m not sure how that’s affordable. Anyway. It’s being built on the flood plain. 8/10 flood factor.
We really need more high density housing closer to urban centers, but Americans seem to be allergic to it. Everyone wants their single family house. Also too, without subsidies they’re is no profit incentive for developers to build the necessary housing stock, they all shoot for “luxury” housing because it’s the most profitable.
without subsidies they’re is no profit incentive for developers to build the necessary housing stock
So cap rent. If a developer wants to build, they need to build what people actually need. You don’t need to hand them boatloads of money to make affordable housing more profitable than non-affordable housing, just ban the unaffordable housing nobody needs.
If only we made a school for teaching people how to do the things we need most. It could be run by the government as a nonprofit. We could incorporate medical and all the other industries we are getting gouged by.
I mean, public state universities could fulfill this role if they could get past their admin rot
They did that too. Remember the townhouse apartment? Each unit has an up and a downstairs, sometimes with garages, 4 or so units to a building? They built a lot of those, tightly packed, but they’re not rentals. They’re condo/houses being sold for $550k, same as the SFH home development across the street.
I feel like each area picks their price and every livable, buyable space is the same price.
Notice how you cannot buy a backyard shed with a doors and windows for a reasonable price any more? It’s likely because houseless relatives were getting set up in those as renovated backyard ADUs.
Sure, but they were still proportionally cheaper the SFHs, as were condos, but the overall median price is through the roof. I also seem to remember some statistic that upwards of 20% of housing stock sits vacant for some ass backwards tax purpose, though I couldn’t quote that article right now. I dunno, perhaps we need more at the legislative level.
And per your shed comment, the price of those skyrocketed when building materials went bananas and demand during covid outpaced supply as everyone was stuck at home and had nothing better to do than house renovation projects. They never came back down because retail outlets and suppliers are greedy dicks. But I don’t think demand for them as a living accomodations was a catalyst, though I could be wrong.
I’ve always wanted like… A townhome. But the problem is anything like that (even away from city/population centers but still near enough to commute is astronomically expensive.
Also, you’re right. Here’s the reality though. The absolute worst sounds at the end of a work day are the sounds of other people. Give me a train, traffic, coyotes, anything but the sound of other people. Especially, and this is the sound of one of the rings of Hell, the sounds of other peoples children. It’s like a Scotch brite pad being rubbed across your mental health.
Well that’s why people choose city living vs suburban vs rural. I live in the mountains because I absolutely do not want to be around that many people even going about my day to day. That said, the noise problem can be mitigated with extra insulation, but then you get into the luxury segment I was talking about.
It seems like there are a number of solutions out there, but no one cares enough to do anything. So that’s why I live in my sky top island.
Facebook sold personal data to a foreign organization called Cambridge Analytica who used it to influence our elections. If their motivations are to protect us via protecting themselves, why is Facebook not banned, and not even in the discussion of being banned?
And we should ban them too. I love this argument. We need better user data privacy laws, and this whataboutism does not change the fact that China is a hostile foreign nation.
I can appreciate that people view Google and Meta and so on as very similar in their transgressions. But as was pointed out in the original comment, this is a cost to benefit ratio type of analysis for the federal government and they gain more by keeping Meta and Google going and can enact other measures to prevent that from hurting them (usually reactionary), so to them this is fine. It is and always has been about what the US government can to do protect itself and enrich itself. Enrichment doesn’t always come in the form of monetary value.
If you’re upset at your own government (or government adjacent tech entities) gathering this type of data from users, you should be for banning them too, not keeping tik tok.
I am for severely restricting the ability for all corporations to gather and sell user data. You think I’m making a whattaboutism or whatever debate buzzword you want to conjure up; what I’m taking issue with is the argument that the reason they’re getting banned has anything to do with that data collection or “national security”. If that had any truth to it, Facebook would have gotten the same treatment, or at the very least would be in the conversation now since they do the same exact shit. If this was about data collection they would pass regulations about that instead of targeting one specific site to unilaterally ban.
I think you brought this up as a *whatabout" to something I said as a rebuttal rather than an agreement so maybe check your tone. You didn’t say anything in your comment necessarily agreeing with the original comment at any point.
Wrong. They let Cambridge collect it on their platform. Huge difference.
The rest of your post is irrelevant.
Their justification for banning Tiktok is that it allows the Chinese government to collect on their platform. It’s the same fucking thing.
For one thing, today isn’t 2015
Did occurring in 2015 happen to make it less bad somehow? We sure as hell weren’t passing laws to ban facebook back then either, so I’m not sure what point you think you’ve made.
Hindsight and foresight are identical I always say
Foresight? We’re talking about the present and the recent past dude are you okay or do you just argue in weird slogans?
We know now what we knew in 40000 bc, obviously
Aren’t they the opposite? Unless you are saying we should use past experiences to protect ourselves in the future then shouldn’t we still ban Facebook? Regardless of how you feel about tiktok, Facebook was never neutered.
We didn’t have the same stance on data privacy back then as we do today. GDPR wouldn’t be a thing for another year, not implemented for two more after that (2018). Legislators largely didn’t understand the risks associated with unrestricted exchanges of seemingly benign user data at the time. Yay for hindsight being 20/20.
That’s great. Nothing has changed about Facebook so nothing is stopping them from banning it now for the same reason as TikTok. The only reason they wouldn’t is if they had a motivation that had nothing to do with protecting elections from foreign influence.
I’m on board with the sentiment but are we really defending TikTok? I haven’t kept up on the issue but personally I wouldn’t cry if TikTok went away.
Facefuck and Twatter are just as bad but they spy on Americans for America, so it is allowed
Exactly get rid of all of them
I want Facebook! The one without recommendations and with posts from my friends.
They won’t go away until people stop using them, and good luck with that.
I mean from American government pov that’s a lot better
Ding ding ding. Huge diff between China having that data and us companies, yes.
You’re learning!
Save your condescension for someone else
We are not defending tiktok
Didn’t you know that if you criticize one thing it means the opposite is perfect and beyond reproach!
*40 year inflation brought on because the government wanted 14 years of free money for Corporations.
Monetary policy and Corporate price gouging are the drivers for inflation. Everything else is noise.
Ok but fuck tik Tok. Ban that shit. This comment is basically saying that banning tik Tok takes the same effort as giving your people healthcare.
The amount of time and money the American government and associated propaganda agencies (they call them news ) have spent on anti TikTok (really just a racist anti China campaign) would definitely have made a huge difference if spent on their social safety net.
Yeah, tik tok is only hastening the collapse of civilization.
Ok because I see a lot of stupid shit in here, you don’t get to talk about banning tiktok if you don’t talk about banning Instagram, Reddit, X and YouTube, who use the same formula, with equal fervour.
Now please talk about healthcare, climate crisis, the Palestinian ethnic cleansing by that cancerous, land grabbing, terrorist Israeli state and the shrinking buying power of the people all around the world.
“a genocide” LOL…this palestine propaganda is really getting out og hand. it is one of the many current genocides. russians wiping out cultures and nations, china on tibet or the uigurs, shit syria on aramaics and assyrians, fucking turkey on kurds and armenians. but yeah…it is “one” genocide now. kids are fucking stupid.
You had me in the first part, NGL.
How dare you assume I was talking about Palestine, I was talking about the Uyghurs in China.
How can Steve ban tiktok if Doug won’t let him mitigate homelessness? Why is Bob talking about housing when Alex is gung-ho on genocide?
Sorry, I meant to ask: how can the government ban tiktok when the government won’t do anything about homelessness? How can the government be proud of mitigating homelessness when the government supports genocide?
Citizens United must be a curse from a Greek god. A funny little jab to highlight our tendency to oversimplify.
Watch? That would imply looking at the situation, so no I don’t think that’s quite the right word…
For one side it’s more like “stand back and stand by”, if you catch my drift, while for the other it’s somewhat like claiming every four years to always have a ready supply of hot sauce stored in one’s purse. (you see, a “purse” is a bag that we poors, specifically women, use to carry things - basically it’s a nonmoving car where your butler puts all the “things” that you need for the entire day, except you are your own butler, and the purse doesn’t drive to anywhere, and it gets heavy!)
Im down with the idea of social media being a threat to citizens for so long as the algorithms optimize for anger.
Calling Republicans government…smh
When did they protect us from TikTok? They didn’t. Other than that it would be a great point
They’re trying to get it shut down?
Because its a threat to the military. Take all the time you need with this.
And I hope they succeed. But this has been talked about for 3-4 years now and hasn’t happened
It’s an actual case now though. They have until Jan 19 to sell US data to a US broker or else Apple and Google have 6 months from that date to remove it from the App Store.
“GAAAHHH! I CAN’T STICK A VACUUM CLEANER UP MY WOMB! I’M GOING TO DIE!!!”
What the fuck?
Those things are bad, but those things being bad doesn’t make Chinese spyware that is designed to dumb down the public a good thing.
Forgot we need American spyware designed to keep you glued so we can dumb down the public for a long extended period of time instead. Spyware and their algorithms need to get killed off permanently through law. With AI enshittification is an understatement.
Where did I say that?
You’re a hypocrite for isolating something because it has ties to a foreign entity. The real problem is everything using it needs to die out. The Law could kill it immediately but billions of dollars are being made and for profit capitalism can’t abide you stopping anything for the benefit of humanity if it makes them enough money.
Ah. So you just want to put up strawmen by yourself to take down by yourself. Have fun shouting into the void. Let me know if you want to discuss my actual words and not ones you’re trying to shoehorn into the discussion.
