But this way third parties can get their cut.
Taxes have that feature too, sadly. No system is perfect.
Well, I guess it is fair for someone that manages those resources full time to get their payment for their management labour from those pool of resources no? The implementation is what must be very strictly looked out for and be as transparent as possible. It is why we have created a country along with its governmental system. Now, whether ANY currently implemented system is perfect or not is another debate.
But there’s also stuff like cum ex where the tax system gets exploited
yes but what about second third party pip?
pip install local_park
at least we are somewhat choosing those
We individually aren’t, in theory the majority on any issue is.
which is better than just some trust fund kid heir
I’d prefer people making decisions for themselves as much as possible.
agreed. rich heir assholes shouldnt make decisions pertaining to our work and future, we should.
Agreed, but there is no we. You shouldn’t make decisions for me either.
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You don’t choose to have roads, schools, water, etc… they are enforced
Every new business model now is just insinuating themselves into an existing structure so they can grift/leech money out for themselves. They call it “innovation “.
they finally found a way to add a built in service fee to taxes. i just hope this new model is compatible with turbo tax premium
Neighbors helping neighbors? A collective group pooling resources in order to get social benefits? Community organizations? This all smells like dirty communism.
HOAs typically end up fascist, though.
what is a HOA?
Home Owner Association
Sadly people like to tell other people what to do
So, national(ist) socialism?
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Curse those fascist African villages where children are raised by the community!
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Yes, that is what is happening in those African villages right now. They’re selling all of their children into slavery.
It’s just the sort of thing Africans do, am I right?
*HOAs which reinvented taxes
HOA’s reinvented municipal government in a way that let them be racist again.
and keep the taxes too
That’s the hilarious part, they still pay all the same taxes. HOAs are both toxic and stupid.
Nah they do have some valid purpose, eg communal roads and facilities - at least in a country where the state refuses to adopt basic infrustructure for new housing developments.
Of the state refuses to adopt basic infrastructure. If the state did, then they would have to make it open to everyone.
Sure, but what’s wrong with that? I mean, roads are already open to everyone - your mailman can access them, visitors can access them, etc. If you extend it to ponds and parks and stuff, it wouldn’t be the end of the world for those to be public, either.
Maybe with pools and such it’s a different story, but there are ways of managing those without setting up a mini government rife for abuse.
I mean, roads are already open to everyone - your mailman can access them, visitors can access them, etc.
That is not the case for all HOA’s. For some, they have gated communities. For others, they are more than willing to enforce private property rights on people who don’t meet the “character” of the community.
If you extend it to ponds and parks and stuff, it wouldn’t be the end of the world for those to be public, either.
Sure it would. The wrong people might use it. After all, they aren’t building these amenities for everyone to use, just residents who either own property or are leasing property in a way that is approved by the HOA.
So its taxes all the way down…
And death.
Yay!
Sure, but this time they can be sure their money goes to themselves instead of those pesky vulnerable sections of society.
This is the correct answer. I’m sure Repubs are somewhat willing to contribute to improving a group as long as they personally benefit from every contribution.
That’s the whole idea behind “philanthropic foundations.” Rich people benefit from “charity” by getting huge tax write-offs.
And then the government decides that society can depend on those charities rather than any sort of social safety net.
They get a huge tax write-off but they are still giving up at least the same money aren’t they? The issue is rather that these foundations may benefit them in another way, for example by providing a salary to their family and friends, if I understand that correctly.
Exactly. A portion of the money is funnelled back to them. Social events for networking become tax write offs when they add a “Help the kids” box out front.
Not necessarily. There are a lot of scams involving charity. Here’s a small, ad-hoc made-up example to illustrate:
- Buy cheap artwork from obscure artist for $500
- Wait a while
- Buy an expert expertise that says your art is super revolutionary and worth $5.000.000
- Donate that super important piece of art to some charity or museum or whatever
- Write off $5.000.000 in taxes
Is it really possible to write off based on estimated art value rather than initial price?
That is the unironic basis of my “enlightened centrists” friends beliefs. He doesn’t want the poor people he sees on TV and at the bus stop to benefit from his money. Nevermind that he received a free education and has all the benefits of living in a first world country. Only if he himselfs would benefit from a measure (e.g. fixing the streets in front of his house) would he be in favour of spending tax money.
I’m not so sure considering the bizarre reality that many people on welfare also think people who take government aid are lazy and we should abolish welfare
Those folks live amongst the rest of the poor undesirables silly. They don’t live in the privileged communities that would turn on them as the next ‘Them’.
Or bank bailouts
This is basically just as opaque as a charity or HOA, with different steps. Which is great unless your community is poor.
My contention with this concept is that with taxes, I can vote for people that manage both the money gathering rules and how it is spent. That and the money typically works in a much larger pool spread across a wide range of socioeconomic groups, which can vastly improve its reach and capability. On top of all that, it’s also transparent. My guess is this has no such features.
I lived and worked in a lot of poor communities and neighborhoods.
We have to organize our own clean ups, our own neighborhood watch, our own events.
Richer neighborhoods get a lot more resources from the city.
Right, that’s the whole point of HOAs. They do all the same shit local government does, but without needing to share with the poors. They should be illegal.
Where I love HOAs are mostly for sharing maintenance and insurance costs of the houses, they don’t take over any responsibilities from the local government.
The HOA gives you money for maintenance?
No, they negotiate a bulk price with with contractors and pay them.
Ah, we just have co-ops for that. Though sometimes they aren’t actually that great at getting good deals for smaller stuff. It would kind of suck to be required to use the co-op.
I was watching a thing not too long ago where a dude was praising the “safety net” of home and health insurance and almost in the next breath complaining how socialized medicine was a scam and welfare
I was like “MF you JUST said you wanted a group safety net”
But they unironically would rather spend more on insurance than risk having any of their money go to the poors.
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Could you elaborate?
He’s one of those silly people who think that you have to treat the poor with cruelty, otherwise they will have no incentive to work.
Buying into Reagan’s ‘welfare queen’ myth.
They want a group safety net for the in-group they are a part of.
Cooperative Capital lets people pool small amounts of money, vote on how they want to invest it to improve their neighborhood–and then generates returns.
I’m not saying this is good or bad. But you wrote a lot a received great feedback from the community despite no one actually reading what it is, evidently.
First I thought this was dumb, but actually… It doesn’t seem like taxes really get distributed to everyone. I live in a poor neighborhood and our streets are all jacked up, but somehow the rich neighborhoods always have nice streets. Am I paying taxes so the rich people get nicer streets? How do I get the city to fix our roads too?
our streets are all jacked up
Not that it’ll really help your situation, but you should look into whether or not your state’s Department of Transportation (DOT) has some sort of reporting tool online.
Mine does, and I’ve used it to report several issues, including several potholes on my neighborhood road. The potholes were filled within a week after I reported it.
Am I paying taxes so the rich people get nicer streets?
But the takeaway is not to get rid of taxes. The solution is to properly distribute tax funds across all areas, rather than funnel money to the top.
We don’t have enough systems in place to prevent the rich from taking more than their fair share.
We don’t have enough systems in place to prevent the rich from taking more than their fair share.
If we did, there would be no billionaires.
But I don’t think this startup would help. The poor neighborhoods would still have less to invest. Privatizing taxes would just make the poorer neighborhoods worse and the richer neighborhoods nicer.
It depends. Yes, poor neighborhoods pay less taxes, and rich pay more taxes. But the imbalance in expenses may be even bigger, because of the way priorities work.
It’s the same as minority representation in democracies (and the reason Soviet system, not the real one, but the theoretical one, is bad), when representatives are chosen by voting, the minority has fewer chances of being represented than if sortition (randomization) is used.
Ah yes, the tyranny of democracy. It’s all good until the majority takes away your voice by sheer numbers.
It’s rather that 80% of votes press their point in much more than 80% of cases. Which even feels unjust.
Money is like votes in this case.
Am I paying taxes so the rich people get nicer streets?
Yes, unironically.
How do I get the city to fix our roads too?
By being rich, or having rich friends, or managing to gather a lot of people (50+) at the front of your politicians’ offices (or their homes for extra effect) and make the demand
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I’d argue the poor pay a vastly higher percentage of their income on taxes, but I like to include all taxes in that figure, not just income tax.
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Yeah, but where do the rich people get more money from than the poor? And I don’t mean middle-class doctor/lawyer “rich”, I mean CEO-of-15-companies rich.
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Yes we’ve had taxes but what about second taxes
but this is voluntary! said the rich guy while frantically masturbating
At least there’s hope the money is not used to bomb schools in middle east
There are a lot of Israeli companies operating in America…
Okay fair. There’s a non-zero chance the money won’t be used to bomb schools in middle east
Mutual aid but worse
Like you do it for mutu bux that can be redeemed in the local swag shop for things like seeds (good for 1 growing season) and good-feels (license to make a pop-up community garden in the square (garden for display purposes only))
Community land trusts seem like a creative solution at the moment. We definitely don’t need a fucking tech company with their hands in the mix though.
It’s the Libertarian® Paradise™
There was a commenter the other day (I wish I could remember who) that said something along the lines of libertarians regularly reinvent things we already have.
Doesn’t call out libertarians specifically, but it’s appropriate. :p
Also, hello Piped bot.
Also, hello Piped bot.
Yo
I’m surprised I haven’t seen it yet.
The difference is generally they make it voluntary
What if we privatize government?
Funny meme, silly rage bait title.
Welcome to A Boring Dystopia. First time?
Kind of. I don’t know rules and traditions of all communities I see on the “all” feed!
Yeah, but these “taxes” get used on their stuff, and none of those other people get any of that money.
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Everyone’s commenting like they don’t know this is voluntary, unlike taxes.
Agree or disagree, at least understand your opponent’s actual position rather than fighting a straw man.
I don’t think anyone here does not understand the difference between compulsory taxes and this nonsense which won’t work specifically because you don’t have to put money into it. It’s a libertarian’s idea of taxation.
This is intentional. Many people refuse to notice the aspect of having a choice on all issues.
“It’s good for everyone” or “it’s bad for everyone”, which conveniently removes others’ personal borders and also the responsibility.
Why does a startup let people do this? Were people not able to do this before and now with a start up suddenly they can? How much does the start up get?
No, tech bros discover co-operative banking.
yeah came here to say it seems more like bank or building societies.
