A few examples include s*x questions on askreddit, “this” comments, nolife powermods, jokes being more frequent than actual answers
Needlessly censoring words like sex. It wasn’t necessary on Reddit and it certainly isn’t necessary now.
Censorship like that was introduced to make the platform appealing to advertisers. I’d say just don’t give power over how to run the platform to advertisers.
I find it absolutely mind blowing that people are generally accepting that as okay on most social media platforms.
I can only assume that people don’t understand why it was brought in on YouTube and TikTok in the first place because so many people do it when it isn’t remotely necessary. If you make your living posting on social media, then fair enough, I understand you need to fall inline with the rules of the platform. But why the hell would you self censor posts you don’t make money from? Utterly ridiculous.
All they know is that The Algorithm won’t show their posts if they use those words. How anyone can understand that and not see how incredibly fucked up that is, though, I don’t know.
I agree. It’s absolutely absurd that would say something along the lines of “Fuck, I got r*ped, what do I do?”
I’m of the opinion that you shouldn’t censor any words. If you feel the need to censor it, then just don’t say it. If you want to discuss it, then be able to say it. You should be able to say something like “X called Y a nigger”.
I’d say people worrying about Karma.
this /s
I get the objective need for the /s in this particular context, but we absolutely should add “using /s when the sarcasm should be obvious for anyone with basic reading comprehension skills” to the list
As someone who is incredibly tone deaf in written conversation, please don’t get rid of the /s. It really does help
I don’t agree,
/sis immensely useful for neurodivergent people, some of which cannot recognize sarcasm at all.Also, really often something that is “obvious sarcasm” for you is a genuinely held belief by someone online. Nothing is too ridiculous for the internet
Oh no
Maybe internet forums aren’t the best place for people that can’t recognize context.
Why should we exclude neurodiverse people from a space when it’s easy enough to make it accessible?
Apparently reddit and lemmy are the only places they socialize, so whatever.
No but they’re here (and we should be being as inclusive as possible if we want Lemmy to be successful), so it makes no sense to shut the doors on them just because a couple of people don’t like seeing /s .
Do you active dislike neurodiverse people or you just prefer to surround you only with people you can relate to?
Just because you don’t care about certain groups of people who are not actively damaging for the world, that doesn’t mean that they should be excluded from here.
Sadly, I understand your point, but feel that I need to remind you of Poe’s Law. I think the /s is required because shit is all too real
Even the /s I wouldn’t bring it here
I was going to post that you’re lucky you included the /s, but I just realized we don’t have karma so it doesn’t matter anyways. Such a nice feeling…
Fuck that /s If you’re unable to grasp context without it then just move on to a different discussion.
karma (or upvotes-downvotes aka simple karma) shouldn’t be a reason to disallow someone from using a lemmy community
I don’t know what form of karma Wander meant, but for me the “global karma” numbers are the worst part of reddit. People constantly posting stupid things or self-censoring to try to make number go up.
Requiring minimum positive karma is stupid when it can be gamed so easily.
Someone with very negative karma is likely a troll.
upvoted to give you more karma
What exactly was the karma problem? I never saw it being a huge issue
It becomes an issue if you imagine people on social media do what they do for karma in the same way people in real life do what they do for money.
In other words, if you have a deficient or extremely narrow theory of mind, you will think karna is the cause of everything
Is there even a total karma counter anywhere at all?
Not on Lemmy but there is on kbin (it’s called “reputation”, I think). I’m hoping it doesn’t get implemented here, but I guess we can see if it negatively affects kbin content as we’ve got a direct comparison.
Making all these posts on Lemmy be about another site.
The community won’t flourish if the only thing people are talking about is their social-media ex.
I think we need to give it some time. I was not there when Digg went bad but I’m assuming that in the early days of Reddit, there was a lot of discussion about Digg. Once Reddit reached a critical mass, posts about Digg died down.
There’s a lot of discussion about Twitter imploding too. It’s not just that it’s an ex for most of us. It’s also the tech implosion.
Also Meta wants to join the fediverse with Threads.
A lot of it is just people talking about their social media ex, but it IS part of a larger discussion about taking the internet back from corporations.
Wait, Threads is supposed to be a Fediverse thing? I’ll admit, I kinda noped on it as soon as I heard Meta was behind it, but how does the Fediverse fit into all this?
exactly what happened but with the addition of some redditors being pissed off that we all jumped onto Reddit.
To make the ex metaphor. Talking shit about your ex is not productive but talking about what was wrong or didn’t work can be very insightful. Entirely blocking your ex out of your mind is a pretty easy way to make the same mistakes again.
I can see why people think it’s annoying but I think this is also a good thing. Talking about this helps people understand what they want to see in their communities or instances.
Pushing the metaphor even further, all my stuff isn’t even moved out of the ex’s house yet, so I’ll probably want to keep talking about them until the situation is over. It’s just going to take a little time.
It’s the currently trending topic for pretty much everyone here. It will die down by itself eventually as it becomes old news.
I mean, a good chunk of the content on reddit came from Twitter or Facebook or 4chan, if not one of the many other sites that also scrape from those places. And after the Digg exodus, there was a lot of discussion about that too.
This is normal. This is just growing pains.
Obtuse comment, a vast majority of people have no self-awareness. Its good to discuss things.
That is why I posted. To bring awareness that it is happening, and self awareness, and suggest that things can be done another way.
I mean this is true and was a problem on mastodon when i joined as well with twitter but it died down and I can hope the same happens here.
It took years for Reddit to stop bitching about Digg all the time. Hopefully, we will get over this phase quicker than that.
For the moment, I personally find this feedback valuable. We are starting something new, and a part of figuring out what we want to look like is acknowledging what we don’t want to look like.
This
Edit: Seems like people don’t joke about this stuff here. Lesson learned.
There are; but this isn’t even close to the right context where it even remotely works. Maybe if you did it on a comment saying “people who just reply ‘this.’”
Censoring inoffensive words like sex.
Allowing racists and fascists a seat at the table under the guise of ‘fairness’ or ‘free speech’. Reddit became polluted with far-right astroturfing in the last six years.
It is not tolerance to welcome those persons who seek to harm you.
We cannot tolerate intolerance.
That’s a paradox. You cannot tolerate everything. That’s why there’s no such thing as not being bigoted. It’s literally impossible to tolerate everything.
You just have to pick what things you’re not going to tolerate. Now if only we could always agree on what that is.
Intolerance. Intolerance is the one thing you don’t tolerate. It being a rhetorical paradox doesn’t mean it’s difficult to implement.
It absolutely is because there are things that you where you cannot tolerate both oposing viewpoints. There’s also things that you do not want to tolerate.
Unless you believe it’s not okay to be intolerant of murder.
I hope that helps illustrate how it’s not just a rhetorical paradox. It’s a conceptual one too. Much of the time, it’s not tolerance vs intolerance. It’s picking between two flavors of intolerance.
Well I mean if you’re expanding the argument to things as well, then yeah, it becomes rather unwieldy. But if you constrain it to intolerance for people, then it remains rather simple.
Not at all. I’m not talking about just things. I’m also talking about about people.
It is not simple to determine the extent to which to tolerate different groups of people. Unless you’re saying that you want to be equally tolerant of murderers, races, all religions, and people who like pineapple on pizza.
Murder falls under intolerance. Religion can exist without being intolerant, but often doesn’t. The smell test really is pretty simple: if you’re not actively hurting someone besides yourself, you should be tolerated. Along with that, we decide that intolerance for other reasons (ie, because of a person’s genetic makeup or mode of expression) is itself harmful.
Now we can find tune and dicker about where that line of injury is, and of course there are special cases where the alleged hurt is spread around and it’s hard to decide how to adjudicate that, but that’s what the law and all its apparatus is for, after all.
Reddit was full of racists even back in the early 2010s. /r/Coontown was a prime example of that.
Whether or not it’s tolerance isn’t directly important.
The mistake that people make is assuming that tolerance is inherently good. It is to a certain degree, but there are many things that you do not want to tolerate. That’s where we want to be.
However, many people think of themselves as tolerant and find it difficult to make that conceptual realization.
In the last 6 years? If anything, reddit got less tolerant of the far right since inception, it just became a bigger deal when they banned them in the last 6 years
You believe what you want to. Nothing I say is going to convince you, random internet person.
I had used reddit since the near beginning, and over time the prevalence of ‘alternative facts’ and other right-wing narratives has risen sharply. You also have communities like r/conservative that participate in open calls to violence and perpetuate right wing dogwhistles for maximum rage bait. The sheer slide of r/politicalcompassmemes going from people role-playing different ideologies to thinly-veiled alt-right propaganda speaks to this shift.
Catering to conservatives and right wing players results in the enshittification of the website.
I think that generally the internet got more of those types of people and they got louder, reddit used to have subreddits whose names were just slurs or subreddits blatantly dedicated to racism. The idea of a “dogwhistle” on reddit didn’t exist because the racists just said and did racist things without fear of being banned.
Yeah, you’re both right. There’s less outright hate now, but more propaganda.
Political Compass Memes is the Fox News version of fair and balanced. It’s intended to convert people with a thin veil of “both sides”. And that thin veil will be enough for a lot of impressionable kids.
Well yeah, to continue with the fire metaphor, it’s hard to put out a fire once you’ve already let it get out of hand. PLENTY of people were warning about those communities before they grew into the mob that stormed the capital, for example. Reddit only stepped in and did something about them when it became a bad look for them to let them keep shitting on the lawn.
Everyone should familiarize themselves with the paradox of tolerance if they haven’t already.
what? reddit was an american “left” “look at how good of a person i am for hating on racists and pedophile” (like congrats?) circlejerk
the racists and fascists were contained in their subreddits and were ignorableThey shouldn’t have even had those and they weren’t ‘contained’
maybe if you were actively looking for them or are very easy on the trigger of calling people racist, yeah they weren’t contained I guess
Apathy toward intolerance only allows it to fester. You don’t walk past a pile of embers and shrug just because nothing’s currently on fire.
im sure banning those communities will end racism
Protecting minorities so our communities can be a diverse place makes them so much better though. No one claims it will end racism that is just a ridiculous straw man.
they almost always were in their own little corner
there’s no protecting minorities if they choose to go to racist places
on the typical subreddits mods or even the admins themselves were fast to remove comments or posts so they were “protected”
I’m sure installing fire hydrants in cities will end structure fires.
well if you want to compare people to fires be my guest
I’ll counter and say that calling anyone you disagree with a racist/fascist in order to feel superior.
That shit was rampant on Reddit and seems to be slowly creeping into Lemmy as well.
Lol never mind, I guess it’s rampant here as well.
I’ve never been called either in nearly 12 years on Reddit (and being plenty active with ~120k comment karma).
Maybe if you often get called that you should re-evaluate your opinions?
Yeah, same. I think they doth protest too much lol
brother I got called a racist for saying a football (soccer) player who happens to be black is shite
and football fans are way less trigger happy with accusations of racism than americans seem to be, even if they themselves are american for some reasonWow there’s a lot of weird baggage in this comment.
are you doing what the other guy that is getting downvoted is talking about? 🤔
or wait did i misunderstand
Not in my experience; you just have to interact with the right people and they’ll sling those accusations around like mashed potatoes in a food fight.
You are a fascist.
It’s easy to blend in when you blindly follow the narrative.
As if there is ever one “the” narrative. We’re all following narratives, brother.
I know you think you’re being clever, but you see it in almost every front page thread on Reddit.
Your post history is public.
Not sure how you think any of those comments are some sort of gotcha.
Explain how they are racist/facist instead of just being an emotional child who follows the hive mind.
Also, like a typical Reddit user, you will dig through someone’s post history to find something to discredit them instead of having an actual point.
“dig through”. Man, your comment after this one is defending oil companies. And a few comments before is a ridiculous propaganda talking point.
There’s a very important reason post history is public. It makes this site harder to manipulate than 4chan. It’s so much easier for one actor to overpower 4chan it’s ridiculous. A Reddit operation is still certainly possible, but much more challenging.
Lol defending oil companies. You guys are ridiculous.
I guess pointing out how supply and demand works is “defending oil companies”.
A post history enables accountability, which is something a lot of people severely lack.
If you take issue with being held accountable for what you say, then perhaps you need to look at what you’re posting.
I have only read the comments here and didn’t look at your post history, because I frankly don’t care enough to, but I would imagine people are assuming you do not argue or debate in good faith. That may be an incorrect assumption, for all I know, but you’ll need to make your positions more clear to people that might feel some type of way about what you’re sayin’.Jesus Christ, this isn’t high school debate club lol
Mmm, this might be a you problem.
If that’s an issue that actually affects you often enough to complain about it, maybe, uh, maybe you should, idunno, search your soul or something.
You know what they say about someone who is always complaining that every room smells like dog shit when he walks into it.
I never said people called me racist. I was a Reddit lurker. But you see it all over the place and unfortunately here too.
Such a sad way to live, constantly filled with anger and hatred.
Don’t be so quick to dismiss people’s anger. It comes from a place of their own truth. They probably have a good reason for it. Acknowledge the truth first and then address the complaint.
I’ll give you that, but it unfortunately leads to a lot of prejudice and antisocial behavior.
My comment is a perfect example. All I said was that people shouldn’t call others facist/racist, and that was all it took for everyone to assume that I am.
I’ll grant that it is often used as a thought-terminating cliché, and we should all be judicious it its use. But sometimes you just call something what it is.
And 90% of the time it is exactly that.
Reddit became too America focused. Most of the posts were about America or assumed everyone reading was American. It felt very exclusionary.
Not just frequent jokes, but those annoying ever-repeating jokes. Like as if 80% of users were the same person. Before opening any post on Reddit, there is a good chance to be able to correctly predict the exact content of a significant portion of the comments. I get that it can be funny to an individual to come across stuff like “I also choose this guys wife” or “And my axe” more than once. But for people like me, who did not just start using the website, it is really annoying to come across the same jokes literally hundreds of times.
This goes hand in hand with the general idea of a “Reddit hivemind”. Depending on the subs you visit, you can see that Reddits userbase is actually really diverse. There are people from every demographic with all kinds of different life experiences. But in a lot of subs, anytime a woman is mentioned there is a flood of people acting like as if there are no women on the internet and as if no person using Reddit could have a girlfriend. Again, I get that it can be funny once or twice. But when the idea that every user must be a typical “Redditor” gets repeated all the time it’s just annoying. Needless to say that I don’t look forward to being called a “Lemming” on this site.
Also, repeating comments on the same post. Obviously you don’t have to read all the comments if there are already hundreds of them. But if there are too many comments saying the exact same thing it just gets harder to read them all. So it would be nice if people would look whether the point they want to make maybe has been made already. They can increase that comment’s visibility by upvoting. No need to make other people read the same content multiple times and by that make it harder to read different comments.
This, 11/10 would upvote again, just fucking take my upvote, btw is your wife single by any chance?
And my axe!
Thanks for the gold kind stranger!
Happy cake day!
The old Lemmy switcheroo!
Hold my lemmings, I’m going in!
Take my upvote /s
Nice.
I also choose that guy’s waifu body pillow (obviously women aren’t real)
Woman on the Internet? Nice try, FBI
And my axe.
Kept scrolling to find this one. It was so tiresome to see the same joke repeated in multiple threads a day.
And I really love humor, but I’ll also add that everyone upvoting the joke or pun responses until they’re all at the top, and having to scroll to find the real content, was pretty annoying too.
And people immediately repeat the same patterns without understanding where they come from.
First, the difference is negligible between doing something ironically and just doing it. The “ironic” part stays with it, but becomes irrelevant almost immediately. The “/s” needs to exist for a similar reason. Generally it’s just better to not make the /s comment at all, but if you’re going to it should have the /s.
Second, if you have a couple hundred people read something and think the same response, one of them is probably going to type it.
Changing these things requires a culture shift where we encourage people to think about their comment adding something original rather than the first thing that comes to mind. You have to attack that root problem instead of the symptoms. Is it worth the effort?
First, the difference is negligible between doing something ironically and just doing it.
You get to feel superior to people who ~don’t get it~ and think you’re being unironic. That’s really it.
Also, repeating comments on the same post. Obviously you don’t have to read all the comments if there are already hundreds of them. But if there are too many comments saying the exact same thing it just gets harder to read them all. So it would be nice if people would look whether the point they want to make maybe has been made already. They can increase that comment’s visibility by upvoting. No need to make other people read the same content multiple times and by that make it harder to read different comments.
This may be a little bit of an issue here as small instances (or frequently defederated instances) may not be aware of replies made on older comments. To see the whole reply chain of a comment you need to click the fediverse button (the rainbow star thingy on Lemmy web) and read the source. If people don’t do that they may legitimately not know that someone has replied with the exact thing they were about to reply with.
Anyone who comments “this”, “holup”, or “came here to say this” can go fuck themselves.
If you can’t even get yourself to write the word sex, the questions on askreddit were probably not the issue…
I think the whole “no life mods” thing got a bit overblown. Reddit communities flourished generally due to the ones that had good active moderation. Setting a consistent theme and tone for the subreddit and keeping the bad actors out. It takes a lot of work, they did it for free and we benefited.
The issue is when some people are mods for tons of major communities. That’s when it is overreaching.
Nazis. Reddit has so many Nazis.
I hate Reddit nazis.
Well, they are a significant minority.
Ending community names with “porn”, so earthporn, designporn always kinda bugged me for some reason. I like porn. I like beautiful non-porn pictures of nature and awesome design too. I just don’t know why we need to conflate them or use the term ‘porn’ as shorthand.
Guys I think the censored word is"sex".
I’ll say the obvious… blocking WefWef and other apps that improve the user experience.
So I understand this correctly, you’re advocating for a “bad” UI “to keep out the normies?”
Bad patterns to never repeat
Read the title again, then read the comment again.
OK, I think I understand now. There were a few words missing in there that I needed for context.
“Don’t block third party apps that improve the user experience, as reddit has done.” Got it.
Yeee got it :D
You do not understand this correctly.
Got. How should I be taking this? Why would you block apps that improve the user experience to make something better
I wonder how much of that are Reddit-specific problems vs just plain old humans online in a pseudo-anonymous setting problem.
