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meatwad is dumb tho
Smarter than shake
Dumber than Carl, which… you know…
Carl has a house in New Jersey and works from home in 2000. He’s living the dream.
Except the house is in New Jersey.
Adverbs are like the next stage of Pokémon evolution to pronouns
If bigots hate pronouns, God help them when they reach verbs.
Yeah, duh. They’re proverbs
You mean like camels through the eye of a needle?
You must have some tiny-ass camels
Nah, it’s not so much that the ass-camels (SFW XKCD) are tiny as the imaginary dude rich Christians pretend to worship saying that they’re not going to his imaginary paradise
Finally, an actual joke. I thought we were on an internet-argument-cesspool sub.
I was uplifted for a minute and then I read the comments.
Guys, why is it so hard to just respect that people exist that you might not fully understand?
In my case i respect the existance I just dont want to participate. Leave me alone and I leave you alone
Participate in what? Society? So you just don’t want trans people to exist in it? You realize that makes you transphobic, right? The fact that you even posted here indicates that you’re not being honest.
No I dont mean I dont want them to exist I want them to be themselves Im just not going to call them anything but he or she thats all. You can call me transphobic if you want but in my mind im just indifferent. I wont stop someone calling themself what they want Im just not currently interested in doing it.
Do you have a nickname or a preferred name? I do and Im a cis man. My nickname is a less common nickname of my full name. If you call me by the more common nickname I usually do not respond because in 50 years that was always a different person’s name and not mine.
If you know me for long enough and you keep calling me the wrong name I am going to think you are pretty rude because you should know my name if you know me.
It’s the same way with pronouns. No rational person is going to jump down your throat for using the wrong pronoun the first time as you aren’t aware of their preference, but when you have been told a few times it is rude.
I’m going to assume you’re a cis man for this.
Let’s say we work together. I insist that I don’t care about gender and see no reason why I should. As such, I decide to refer to you as ‘lady’ or ‘girl’ over the course of our daily conversations.
Would that not bother you? You don’t think that wouldn’t eventually start having an effect on you? Being constantly misidentified, misgendered, or having a part of who you are be literally disregarded?
If you don’t want to participate in respect and civility then you can kindly leave society. Leave us all alone because there is no space here for you.
My question is, why is there a distinction between a man identifying as a woman, an old pedo identifying as a 6 year old boy and a white woman identifying as a black one (this last one I know was real and just can’t remember the name of the person)?
It’s really not that hard to understand why one is problematic and the other one isn’t. The only reason someone would have an issue with trans people is by inventing some “threat” to justify outdated and harmful societal taboos.
First of, it’s not just threats, real assaults have happened already. And tons of cases of women complaining about not wanting to see male genitalia in locker rooms exist.
Second, I would argue that at least the white woman identifying as black is just as harmless, if not more.
Tons of cases that you won’t link to as always
Here you go lazy boy/girl/whatever:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-02/indecent-exposure-charges-filed-trans-woman-spa
If you also want to get into the trans-athlete xenanigans:
Equating pedophilia with the sensibilities of a few reactionary women being harmed from simply seeing genetalia, when they can simply look the other way, is not the own you think it is.
What pedophilia? It’s just a 6 year old playing doctors, you biggot.
Are trans people more likely to assault than the rest of the population? The fear you feel is implemented by societal norm and you are attempting to justify it which makes your standards way less than for changing your mind. What would change your mind on this is what you need to figure out. Then you ask yourself if that’s a reasonable amount of skepticism. You can work through your bias and become a better and less hateful person. I believe in you.
More assaults take place against trans people than are made by trans people.
I don’t want to see old man’s balls in men’s locker room either but the way to deal with that is to not stare at other’s naked bodies.
Rachel Dolezal filed hate crime charges based on her false racial identity. That isn’t harmless. It us a different situation because she does identify as white at times.
That’s the dumbest question I’ve ever heard, congratulations
Wtf is wrong with you?!
Nothing, I’m just exploring a subject where I think there is a ton of hypocrisy.
And you are incorrect about that. You are very uninformed on this issue based on your examples. It feels like you tried to come up with counterexamples but took no time to assess their validity.
Because those are three different situations?
Transpeople have always existed we just did not see them as other humans historically had a habit of murdering them. Naturally this kept them out if sight and the modern transrights movement is attempting to change this.
Your second example is not a real thing and if it were and adult identifying as a child would be delusional because they are not a child. Childhood is not a social construct like gender is so the situation is different.
Rachel Dolezal was the person you were thinking of. While race is also a social construct she understood her ancestry to be different and pretended otherwise to the point if asking her brother to not point out she was white. That means she identifies as a white person on some level whereas transpeople do not identify as their assigned birth gender.
Three different situations
Please all report this disgusting peace of shit, just wtf is wrong with humans?!!!
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Thank you for the insightful counter argument.
It made me think a lot and reflect on my actions and now I want to change.
And the change starts by putting your response in the trash.
You can’t argue with human garbage! ;)
Something something pigeons playing chess.
Yeah but like, what are your adjectives?
hot, messy, old for me
Mine right now? Confused, curious and cute.
Cute…
That’s not for you to decide.
That one was included as a joke 😁
Now that you mentioned it though, my girlfriend thinks I’m cute but I have no idea whether or not other people do too and frankly I don’t care much since hers is the most important opinion 🤷
maybe big emojis
That’s right
possibly big emoji
christ almighty what happened to the comments
Basically a single transphobe came in, a load of trans hexbear users started bullying them and mocking them and that boosted the visibility of the post so that more transphobes came into the comments, but because you’re not federated with hexbear all you’re seeing is the transphobes and some people doing pushback on them
Do you know why Lemmy.world is not federated with hexbear?
Lemmy.world pre emptively defederated them before hexbear federated with wider lemmy because hexbear’s a very active community of communists who’ve been on an undefederated fork of Lemmy for three years or so.
Hexbear users are very active in calling out anything they perceive as reactionary thought (transphobia, racism, ableism, homophobia, support for imperialism, colonialist apologia, etcetera) and pretty frequently get hostile about it, one of the stated intentions of them federating was to bully bigots into silence in order to make all of lemmy a more left wing space. Hexbear has a broader definition of what constitutes as reactionary thought than most people do though so they’ll frequently attack liberals too.
Basically they felt hexbear’s community wouldn’t mesh well with lemmy.world
They’re an instance that claims to be far left, but are mostly authoritarian CCP/USSR fans. Its also impossible to talk to them because they brigade and troll anyone they dislike.
So this is like the one time when tankies are right about something. 🤔 Interesting
I got sick of them under every second political post, many of their users act basically like 4chan without the racism, sexism, anti semitsm, transphobia and all of that, not quite as stupid but annoying little fucks with annoying little troll posts that often go in a very facist, authoritarian and just plain disgusting direction which is sad because there are nice and smart people in the mix too but they usually go under! :/
At this point they’ve basically turned themselves into a public nuisance. It’s the same bullshit every time; all noise and no signal which in turn means that they are very boring and predictable.
Hexbear is very very far left and stuff
Left is a term that comes from France and is anti authoritarian in it’s core so that’s not very fitting for many of them!
There are many different binaries in play. The one you refer to is liberal (now anarchism) on one pole and authoritarianism on the other.
The modern European binary that many use (and frustratingly think represents “the world”) divides along economic ideologies where capitalism would be the beginning of the right and more progressive ideologies on the left. Hexbear is far left by this definition.
What people need to understand is that the political spectrum is a lie, and all discussions based on the concept are inherently flawed, promoting reductionist thought if not outright falsehood.
It doesn’t even matter how many axes you add, wanting to seize the means and genocide brown people or whatever doesn’t make you a centrist anything and wanting to seize the means, punch Nazis, and jerk off to Papa Stalin’s mustache doesn’t make you more left than otherwise either.
You are kind of right in that the devision (at least in the traditional meaning from France) has two pillars, you have the authoritarian one siding with kings and nobels vs elected officials, freedome of speech and equality in a social (none economic) sense and you have the economic devision aka little state intervention to the market and redistribution vs the state as protective force for those who need it with stuff like strong worker rights and wealth redistribution. In short the traditional meaning of “left” is socially liberal but not market liberal which is a majore reason why I dislike the American attempt to split between left and liberal so much, if you are left you have liberal ideas and that’s the part where Hexbear wants to frame me as somehow market/neo liberal wich is plain wrong!
That’s because most of Hexbear is using the modern European binary which DOES split along economic lines. This is only a problem when someone asserts their binary is the universal one or fails to clarify which one they use.
What the hell is a trans hexbear?
A trans person from the instance hexbear.net
You expect something that literally threatens people with fatal violence to get sensible discussion? Sure it’s a meme and all, but shit like this is just asking for trolls to start shit. No one should get threatened with violence, even in the form of a meme or a joke and it just gives assholes more fuel and no-one wins.
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Oh look, an actual sensible comment.
I completely understand that, a 100%. My point still stands, fueling the fire that is the whole problem isn’t exactly doing any good even if it might feel good for a moment. You can’t leave food laying around and then get mad if you get ants. I even understand the want/fantasy/whatever for violence when you’re at the receiving end of it constantly. But there’s tons of comments wondering “how are the comments like this” when you don’t really need all that much brainpower to see why. Stooping to their level isn’t going to do any good and will be used against you by the very people who are privileged/bigoted enough to behave that way and not get shit. Why supply them with ammo is all I’m saying.
And stooping to their level only makes you an asshole, a tad justified one, but an asshole nonetheless. When both sides justify themselves because they’re right or justified or whatever the excuse for violence and bullshit is, it’s just idiots fighting each other. And while this meme could be in response to violence, it doesn’t really read that way - it says respect. If you think you can demand respect, especially by threatening to murder them, from people so clearly uneducated, unintelligent and idiotic that they behave the way these bigoted pieces of shit do, you’re going to have a hell of a hard time with everything in life. Just bashing your own head against the wall. That’s not how respect works either, especially when it comes to people who you surely know aren’t going to do it in any case.
With a post like this, that to them just “proves their point” about whatever, and dressed like this, did you really expect there wouldn’t be any assholes? And from the comments, there’s assholes on both sides in the comments as much as being angry and pissed is only understandable for one side. Every side is right in their own mind even if one side is completely wrong, but you don’t change an idiots view by threatening them or giving them more ammo to attack you with. There’s a ton of comments here that don’t really work in favor of the cause, but even I’m getting attacked just for stating a fact about feeding trolls and being against violence - violence against disrespect, not violence and people are celebrating that. Which again, only works in favor of the bigots on all levels. But it’s clear that there’s no sensible discussion happening in this post so I’m out.
I hope things get better, because the assholes affect all of our lives and make things shitty for everyone but themselves. Stay safe.
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You’re free to fuel the fire. It’s never going to make your life easier. I was just responding to a comment wondering “what is going on with the comments”. Death threats rarely (read: never) spark a civil discussion and that is fairly obvious to sensible people.
Thank you for responding in a civil manner though. Again, stay safe. I get your frustration, I do. I just don’t think celebrating violence and death threats against disrespect is going to do any good. You’re not going to beat the bigotry out of a bigot, with violence and murder or threats of it, it just feeds the ignorance and hate.
Yes, most aspects of human history like warfare both threatens human life and is open for debate.
- Post trollbait
- Get trolls
- Rage about all the trolls
- WHY IS MY LIFE LIKE THIS?!
You do you, if that’s how you want to live. You’re seriously going to act like this post was a sensible and reasonable opening for discussion? Never did I say anything about discussing violence, but this post isn’t a discussion in any way and you know it.
You do you, if that’s how you want to live. You’re seriously going to act like this post was a sensible and reasonable opening for discussion?
Yep, sure will. Die mad about it.
Sure, buddy lmao. I don’t know what your problem is and I don’t really care. The only one here that’s mad about anything is you. Keep feeding the trolls and wondering why your life is so miserable. Have fun, love.
Lol nah, you care, that’s why you were bitching about it. But if you want to play it cool to save face, it’s okay. I’ll let you. The rest of us will happily continue to enjoy the thread knowing it was made in good faith.
Whatever you wanna tell yourself. Learn to read.
Enjoy your hateful delusional circlejerk and all the trolls. An asshole is an asshole no matter what flag they fly.
LMFAO “in good faith”. Stroking your ego and patting yourself on the back for exactly the same kind of behaviour you’re mad at at the people on the other end of the spectrum for? No wonder you’re so salty. Keep fueling the fire that makes you miserable, but don’t cry about it when it burns you.
🎵 Meatwad makes the money see
Meatwad defends his trans homies
Drivin’ in my car, livin’ like a star
Ice on my fingers and I’m shooting all the TERFs 🎵
I love my trans comrades. Hate transphobes and hope they die.
Simple as
I don’t wish death on others and I hope you get mentally healthy enough not to wish death on people that don’t agree with you.
Those are verbs.
You habe to use the pronounce I tell you even they dont make sense
I get to changr the pronounce to you to whatever I want.
Yea… I dont think so. You dont get to tell me if you “are” a boy or a girl but if you “feel” like one. Im not going to pretend that you are something you are not because you “feel” like it today (since this could change any day)
We actually do though. Suck it up or leave society. Your choice. In either case you won’t be missed.
Yes physical violence over someone using words is the correct way to do things!
Yep! You had your chance when we were polite for you to be polite. You weren’t. That wasn’t going to last forever. You made your bed. Now you can lie in it for as long as you want because you’re not gonna be able to walk.
Suffer in silence.
Fediverse trans positive knee snapping coalition, no transphobes should be allowed to walk
This is serving big proud boy gravy seals, or QAnon “the storm is coming” energy.
Thanks for quoting what they’ll say to you while you sit in a cell for assault.
Physical violence and taking out the trash are the only proven methods of extinguishing the intolerant.
Under absolutely no circumstances will nazis and bigots be tolerated or allowed to feel safe. Live and let live or find yourself in an untenable position.
Cry more, Nazi punks.
You clearly are forgetting the third option where you let fascism destroy your society completely and other nations force you at gun point to get your shit together.
Using violence justifies further escalation. if you punch me for not using your pronouns (especially if I don’t know them) you deserve to either go to jail or get punched back.
Nobody is saying that they justify violence for people who don’t know pronouns and as a result don’t use them at first. This is you changing the goalposts and the content of what was discussed to make your position sound more reasonable. Miss me with that bullshit, it’s transparent as fuck.
Nazism, bigotry, and intolerance towards other humans based on immutable characteristics violates the social contract and will not be tolerated, even if you really want it to be.
Your intolerance will get you fucked up and I am here for it.
Keep outing yourselves though. Easier to identify the chuds.
Your intolerance will get you fucked up and I am here for it.
Advocating violence over words is intolerance.
If I know your pronouns and refuse to use them, that is not violence. Using physical violence on such a person is improper.
I am all for defending one’s self from physical harm. But punching someone for words is the act of an aggressor.
Violence begets violence. We are nominally adults. We can use words and choose not to associate with others instead of being the aggressor.
The problem is that “using words” doesn’t stop violence against people i care about
Using violence against people that aren’t using violence ends up with you in jail.
I recommend not committing assault.
No.
iam with you my frien
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Oh goody, another of THOSE idiots…
How do you feel about Joe Rogan taking HRT then? Or gong to the gym? Changing your body is “disrespecting genetics?” No, the issue you take is the social transition. You want to treat people like shit and feel justified in it. Feel free! Enjoy yourself. Just don’t bitch and whine when Meatwad gets you.
You should probably do some research on the subject. Intersex and trans people exist however uncomfortable you feel about it. They just want to exist without their existence constantly being questioned.
You know people are born with genitalia that doesn’t match their chromosomes? If you can be born with the wrong or both genitalia, isn’t equally possible to be born with the “wrong” brain makeup? Additionally scientist believe the more social the animal species, the more queer their sexual habits become. As the most social animals ever, it’s only common sense that our population has different mental and physical differences in order to better understand each other? Trans gender people offer such a boon to understanding humanity. They are a piece of the puzzle to getting past isms. (sexism, racism, etc.)
Who are you, Ian Malcom?
I know this is a meme sub, but I firmly believe that the trans movement is going to either collapse or severely regress over the next few years. I think it’s already starting to happen. Hopefully I’m wrong.
Being trans isn’t a “movement”. Being openly anti-trans is part of a reactionary political movement, though, one that can’t die out fast enough.
Being trans isn’t a movement in of itself, but there is a trans movement. You can deny it all you want, but it’s there. Unfortunately, at least in the US, the general public is increasingly becoming more trans across all age groups and political affiliations (according to Gallup). This is reflected by the fact that there more anti-trans legislation than there was a few years ago. The reality is that the trans movement is heading in the wrong direction. Either the people with influence in the movement are focusing on the wrong things, members of the movements can’t organize or don’t care enough to, or the movement is being poisoned from the inside either by extremists or bad faith actors. Regardless, if people keep ignoring it, the anti-trans positions will steadily gain more ground and civil rights will regress.
Movement?
I don’t know where you and the other brainlets are brigading from, but what I said is not that complicated. Being trans isn’t a movement, but there’s a trans movement. That movement isn’t doing too hot, and the evidence is supporting that notion. Anti-trans views are spreading more and more, and if the issue is goin to continue to be ignored by people, do you know what’s going to happen? Anti-trans legislation is going to find it’s way into the law, and civil rights are going to regress. Idk about you, but that’s not a good thing in my book.
Good job for insulting me within the first sentence.
What
What’s so complicated about what I said?
Not a fad, not a trend, not a movement. There have been variations of trans people for thousands of years throughout various cultures around the globe. It’s a human thing. The only thing you see happening is growing awareness, growing acceptance, and growing self-discoveries. It’s not going away. You can bitch and whine about people being different if you want, but I think bowling might be a more interesting hobby though. Try bowling instead of transphobia. Yes, calling it a movement is transphobic, no, that doesn’t necessarily make you a bad person, it just makes you ignorant, and given the confidence of your predictions, stupid and arrogant.
They straight up said they hope they’re wrong. I think what they mean is more they expect us to lose our civil rights movement, or at least backslide in the near future. Which…i wish i disagreed
You either read what I said wrong or you’re too busy trying to find something to get mad over.
You’re gunna have to elaborate on that one.
I think you’d be disappointed if they did.
Refer them to Figure 1 lol
It’s simple, anti-trans views are on the rise among all age groups and political affiliations, at least in the US (according to Gallup). This isn’t randos on the internet, that’s the general public. Movements need the support of the general public to advance their cause. What’s happening is that the anti-trans movement is what’s growing. They’re organizing, passing legislation, creating campaigns, and so on. Looking at the trends, they’re winning. The boycotts that happened to Budlight and Target are not a coincidence. The trans movement is heading in the wrong direction. The people with influence in the movement are either grifting or focusing on the wrong things, members of the movement are not holding their leaders accountable and they’re not organizing, and the movement is fracturing due to extremism poisoning it on the inside. In an ideal world, the trans movement would find a way to head back in the right direction and continue to advance civil rights for trans people… but I don’t see that happening because a lot of people who support the trans movement either don’t care enough to do something or they’re too busy focusing on pointless things.
Why? (Not saying I agree or disagree; I just want to understand your perspective.)
I basically wrote the same thing for like 5 comments already, so I’ll just copy and paste one of them again.
It’s simple, anti-trans views are on the rise among all age groups and political affiliations, at least in the US (according to Gallup). This isn’t randos on the internet, that’s the general public. Movements need the support of the general public to advance their cause. What’s happening is that the anti-trans movement is what’s growing. They’re organizing, passing legislation, creating campaigns, and so on. Looking at the trends, they’re winning. The boycotts that happened to Budlight and Target are not a coincidence. The trans movement is heading in the wrong direction. The people with influence in the movement are either grifting or focusing on the wrong things, members of the movement are not holding their leaders accountable and they’re not organizing, and the movement is fracturing due to extremism poisoning it on the inside. In an ideal world, the trans movement would find a way to head back in the right direction and continue to advance civil rights for trans people… but I don’t see that happening because a lot of people who support the trans movement either don’t care enough to do something or they’re too busy focusing on pointless things.
