People are replying to his comment by saying they’re gonna put his approval of them on their resumé.

The wiki page can currently be summed up with “Hamas is responsible because the US says so.”

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    Unrelated, but I have personal beef with Wikipedia because they’ve locked editing of some pages about Wales on account of what they call vandalism and “not fitting the relevant style guide” when Welsh users try to update place names where the English name for it has been officially dropped.

    As a compromise, they sometimes have the official name in brackets after the English.

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      There’s an alarming amount of people who don’t seem to understand that neutral on Wikipedia means “reported by western media”. They straight up have rules against critical analysis. A source is either approved or not and by sheer coincidence, western media is all approved and all media in countries opposed to the US is not approved. If the NYT says the earth is flat and CGTN says it isn’t, Wikipedia has to say the earth is flat, those are the rules.

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    Wales has visited Israel over ten times. He has said that he is “a strong supporter of Israel”. In 2015, he was awarded one of the Dan David Prizes, an international award of $1 million given yearly at Tel Aviv University (10 percent of the prize goes to doctoral students); Wales was chosen for spearheading what the prize committee called the “information revolution.”

    I’m sure he has no bias guys

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    My personal jihad against Wikipedia can be summarized by the fact that every single one of the wikipedia pages I specifically bookmarked over the course of my doctoral program for containing huge amounts of specific scientific data otherwise not available unless you want to buy a few hundred scientific papers (this was pre scihub) have now been merged with giant vague general introductory articles on the topic seemingly written for the children of liberals on their first day of school. I mean fuck man, most of those molecular biology pages were written by the scientists that discovered the shit. Fuck those guys, I guess

    All that shit is just gone like it never existed, and this cicjsucjer keeps asking me for money ! which I used to happily donate, but no, now he wants to do another bullshit vanity project of idk scanning all art ever into VR or whatever the fuck, instead of spending two cents a month on the server space it would have taken to keep those fucking expert level pages on their own, but because your loser ass wikiexperts dropped out of middle school in order to homeschool themselves at the university of hentai they can’t tell the difference

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      Helpful tip for the future is to use the article’s permalink to link to that specific version in history or better yet use an archive site or use your browser to save a complete local archive of the page.

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            Yeah because me saving a personal copy of everything I come across online, like a digital version of my grandma post great depression, definitely helps out everyone across the planet trying to access that important, easily accessible information for the first time today and absolutely addresses the actual underlying problem instead of tech bro mindset of always blaming the user for dumb design decisions causing harm because unscreened morons working for free to serve capital is cheaper

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              Comrade I get that this pisses you off and I’m right there with you and agree with your take at the top of this exchange. but the bookmarking the revision history of an article is genuinely useful. They’re also pretty easy to browse. They still exist. What year were you doing your doctoral? 2015 for example? Then go to the last revision from 2015 of said article and bookmark that. It’s not hard. Every article on there has a blue link at the top that says “version history.” There’s no reason to be rude to someone for their helpful suggestion. It doesn’t make you a “grandma” or whatever. Anyway, if your grandma archived shit from the great depression, more respect to her.

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                  well that’s a bummer. I’m sorry that happened. Sometimes when they’re merged I think one of the articles maintains the original version history but I’m not 100% on that.

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              It actually does. All online content is ephemeral. It would take maybe a dozen datacenters getting bombed to take down all of wikipedia. I personally have multiple copies of wikipedia in different languages stored locally in my computer. Literally takes up less space than a AAA videogame.

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      Sounds like the wiki-dorks get flustered seeing information they’re too dumb to understand. A lot of fake intellectual Reddit types don’t like being reminded that they’re not epic polymaths just because they binge watch video essays.

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    This community is becoming /r/conspiracy. Calling out someone for obviously ignoring the genocide is one thing. Trying to paint someone who acknowledges that there are competing propaganda efforts as bad because they don’t black and white pick a side, is how you get the next QAnon.

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      It was very obviously israel that struck the hospital, to even entertain the idea that it wasnt is pure racism,

      https://nitter.net/evanhill/status/1714366113818038412 Read the thread, watch the video

      Palestine does not have such large munitions, otherwise tel aviv would be a smoldering pile of rubble

      By pretending this wasnt definitly israel you ARE “ignoring the genocide” a genocide isnt a magic word that dissapears a people, a genocide is a concrete set of actions composed of slaughtering civilians. THIS IS THE FORM WHICH THE GENOCIDE IS TAKING

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        That thread is itself inconclusive. A video with a whirring then an explosion doesn’t confirm where it came from. The blast crater is inconsistent with an Israeli air strike, which doesn’t mean it wasn’t from one. No-one has been able to independently examine the damage and even the number of casualties is disputed.

        There is not enough proof to say who is responsible for this incident. That doesn’t mean Israel isn’t hell bent on the genocide of the Palestinian people.

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      https://www.channel4.com/news/who-was-behind-the-gaza-hospital-blast-visual-investigation

      even certain western outlets are saying more investigation is needed to determine considering how much Israeli state lies.

      Wikipedia’s ‘NPOV’ is a bullshit concept. There is no such thing.

      “Earth could be spherical or it could be flat, no one knows”

      “Most people believe Holocaust happened but there are some deniers”

      “Some people believe COVID vaccines contain microchips, though this is disputed.”

      All these could be considered neutral statements but if one were to see it an actual article they would think its ridiculous because Earth being spherical(ish) is the reality, Holocaust did happen and COVID vaccines do not contain microchips. Why should bullshit “theories” be entertained?

      Also Gaza doesn’t even have power or water right now, what ‘propaganda’ effort do you think Hamas or PIJ is doing compared to a state funded and propped up by a superpower

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          It’s so funny how much they whine about the pronouns. If it was a choice between male/female/other they’d be fine with it, but blob-on-fire PRONOUNS blob-on-fire are too much.

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          Going by spelling and phrase choices, l’d say the majority of them are youngish Americans who’re still naive enough to believe extreme left-wing/anarcho political systems aren’t just as controlling of the populace as the political systems they despise. Either that or they crave big state control systems because the feel a lack of control in their own lives and want a political daddy to make the decisions for them.

          Wow really got us there communism = big goberment

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        How is waiting for more evidence to come out before making a record = valuing your career over thousands of dead civilians?

        Even if you completely disregard the western response, the original claim of 500 people being killed conflicts with reports from Doctors on the scene who estimated around 500 casualties with 2-300 of those being killed.

        It’s literally taking place in an active warzone, and Palestinians should and will inflate numbers for political leverage. It’s not the job of an archival organization to involve themselves in the process.

        I don’t really see why this particular event is so pertinent to this sub, it doesn’t change the onus of responsibility for the deaths. If it was a Jdam from Israel, well that’s not really shocking, they are the reason the people were at the hospital to begin with. If it was a faulty rocket from hamas, the invasion was still the reason it was fired in the first place.

        By focusing on what hit the hospital we are detracting from the more important question. Why was the hospital hit by an explosive in the first place?

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      Even if we accepted your terminally muh both sides-brained argument that there are two competing propaganda efforts, one of them is backed by the full force of the Western media.

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    Sounds like a reasonable take. Nice call-out too